Well this is more about the land use policies that the Europeans push on them, but you can easily find workshops of them “instructed African farmers on better ecological practices” and shit like that. They write articles about the dangers of monocropping, pesticide use, etc, all practices their debt system demands to keep up. They insist these countries do not develop higher industry even car factories as it would be a carbon explosion, that’s been fixed with electric veh— But that would require background information, why not just attempt to gotcha me to misrepresent what I’m saying (the only thing anyone on here knows how to do)
But that would require background information, why not just attempt to gotcha me to misrepresent what I’m saying
I asked a simple question for clarification, that’s not a gotcha attempt. If you can’t answer it straightforwardly then maybe you gotcha-ed yourself.
I didn’t misrepresent what you were saying. You claimed this graphic says Europeans have better climate stats than exploited coffee-producing regions. It appears to show most European countries as having higher carbon emissions per capita than any coffee-producing country.
Did you misrepresent yourself in what you were trying to say, or are you misrepresenting the graphic? Because you still haven’t explained what you meant if it was something else, you just got defensive and complained about me asking you to clarify.
proceeds to interrogate the point that was already clarified.
You never clarified the point. And my last response wasn’t a continuation of the first, it was a response to your reply. So that doesn’t change the fact that my first response was not a gotcha attempt. My second was simply batting down your unnecessary hostility.
Not my fault if you never read a Guardian article about the chilling prospect of Africa industrializing in the past fifteen years.
This post isn’t about the guardian, it’s about an infographic that shows european nations among the biggest per-capita carbon emitters. The only coffee-producing country that I’m aware of that I see in the graphic is Indonesia, which is near the bottom. So how was your comment relevant?
And unless you provide a source to a Guardian article saying what you’re claiming, I’m just going to assume it’s bullshit. They’re not the torygraph…
Yes, it is interrogating the mangled point that assumes background info, instead of the clarification of what I meant + it’s in the spirit of pedantry not inquiry, you’re going back to what I said about emissions as if I’m literally implying these papers actually argue that Africa is already in same the position as semi-industrialized light manufacturing powers like Indonesia, the Philippines, Mexico, other areas that have developed some industry in order to make products for Western companies.
If the alarmist framing “carbon bomb” doesn’t give it away here, it’s the future threat of Africa’s development destabilizing the western financial system that concerns them. Not chiefly what would happen climatologically if they started using a lot more fossil fuels in order to keep up with demands of globalization + their respective debt traps. Just look at migrant labor on farms and first world countries. These people aren’t interested in mechanization. They’re interested in slavery. They never seriously invested in the green technologies that would allow Africa to develop without this carbon bomb going off, instead they wrote articles about how green energy wasn’t economically viable. Why isn’t avoiding the apocalypse economically viable? You’ll find there’s only subtle difference between Tories and Labour or whatever tf you people have over there now on important issues.
On western conditions, “climate protection” projects have become a semi-successful recolonization strategy where NGOs control African land instead of its inhabitants. Global emissions are used as political leverage to achieve this. They talked about using western state funds & retirements to spread a large forest preserve across the Sahel—this was of course pre-AES revolutions. Echoes old school feudal land agreements writ large, meant to ensure resourceful regions remain backwaters
I didn’t mangle your point, your point was mangled when you made it. I asked for simple clarification, but instead of clarifying, you assumed my intentions and then got all hostile and mangled your point even more.
I’ve got plenty of qualms about the west, about the dominant economic systems, about exploitation worldwide, about inadequate climate action. But journalistic reporting on increases in coal power anywhere is not one of my qualms.
Good to know you support the fossil fuel industry, though. Thanks for playing.
That’s right mfer, I will continue to assume Yandex search access & a grade school education on the part of my audience. Consider yourself forever counted out! You went from saying it’s not a gotcha to admitting yes, it is a gotcha, & you oppose the utilization of the petroleum industry by developing country, then ignored everything I said which was inconvenient to you. Wait until you see what I do in Africa! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Fake ass pseud mad on the internet again, you’re always so mad & you go excuse yourself to pout! This is why nobody spoon feeds people! You lack BASIC THINKING SKILLS your MOMMA didn’t teach you bruh. I’m so powerful I can afford to let you feed off the tip of my dick. I can spare the calories big boy
Since you generally fail subtext: I WORK IN THE PETROCHEM INDUSTRY THIS IS NOT A GAME & YOU’RE THE ONLY ONES WHO WANT EVERYONE ELSE TO LOSE. I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE
I will continue to assume Yandex search access & a grade school education on the part of my audience
It sounds like you didn’t make it much further than a grade school education. In fact, you sound like you’re still in middle school.
Consider yourself forever counted out!
That would be a blessing.
You went from saying it’s not a gotcha to admitting yes, it is a gotcha,
No, I never said it was a gotcha, that was you. You’ve only gotcha-ed yourself several times. Stop projecting.
& you oppose the utilization of the petroleum industry by developing country,
I oppose the utilization of petroleum because it’s already done enormous damage to the planet, climate and ecosystems. My opposition to petroleum transcends geopolitical boundaries. I don’t make exceptions. Don’t pretend that’s somehow anti-Africa. You can use renewables.
then ignored everything I said which was inconvenient to you.
Half of what you say is insane ramblings and inane drivel, a third of it is personal attacks, and only about a sixth of it is anything with a semblance of rationality worth engaging with.
I’m going through your comment line-by-line, so you can’t say I’m ignoring anything.
Wait until you see what I do in Africa! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
I don’t know what this is supposed to mean, but I don’t give a shit what you do as long as you’re not harming anyone or the environment.
Fake ass pseud mad on the internet again, you’re always so mad & you go excuse yourself to pout! This is why nobody spoon feeds people! You lack BASIC THINKING SKILLS your MOMMA didn’t teach you bruh.
Yeah, you are in middle school, aren’t you?
I’m so powerful I can afford to let you feed off the tip of my [redacted]. I can spare the calories big boy
Childish, perverted, and megalomaniacal. A dark triad.
Since you generally fail subtext: I WORK IN THE PETROCHEM INDUSTRY THIS IS NOT A GAME & YOU’RE THE ONLY ONES WHO WANT EVERYONE ELSE TO LOSE.
Aw, that’s a big-boy job for a middle-schooler. Anyway…
So you’ve revealed your biases. No wonder you’re going through all the trouble to defend the petrochem industry. So tell us, why should anyone take you seriously? You can’t even hold a grown-up conversation.
Oh, and this isn’t about winning or losing, this is about saving the planet from greedy tycoons who will never be satisfied with “enough” and constantly need to fuel their hunger for “more” by polluting the environment, exploiting the poor, and wielding power to prevent healthier alternatives from gaining a foothold in the market.
I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE
Now this I would have thought was funny if I didn’t think you were actually serious. What a loser.
Lmao see I roped you back in so easily after you acted like you were all done, “thanks for playing” now you’re trying to quote by quote deboonk someone MAKING FUN OF YOU HAHAHAHA you’re the one who needs to grow up bruh telling other people what to say when you can’t even understand a word. Lil buddy you gave up as soon as you decided to debate a misconception you had about what someone wasn’t saying. You didn’t address any of what I said, only what you thought about me, which I don’t care about. I prefer coherent conversations with normal people! You read the articles about The Guardian saying it’s afraid of the higher emissions of African industry, relative to the imperial core, no? Are you seriously not able to see how the argument is made to deny high industry to Africa in order to hoard it for the West? You are pro-EXISTING PETROCHEMICAL MONOPOLY. Hence your seething at me. Nobody will ever give a shit about how you want them to talk. You don’t matter, you just say inaccurate shit & make a good punching bag whenever you pop up like a gopher. It provokes a better understanding of how to explain things to idiots that aren’t as intractable & salty as you are.
Yes, I am serious, I drink your fucking milkshake! SEA petrochem is ours now! You guys threw the game!
Well this is more about the land use policies that the Europeans push on them, but you can easily find workshops of them “instructed African farmers on better ecological practices” and shit like that. They write articles about the dangers of monocropping, pesticide use, etc, all practices their debt system demands to keep up. They insist these countries do not develop higher industry even car factories as it would be a carbon explosion, that’s been fixed with electric veh— But that would require background information, why not just attempt to gotcha me to misrepresent what I’m saying (the only thing anyone on here knows how to do)
I asked a simple question for clarification, that’s not a gotcha attempt. If you can’t answer it straightforwardly then maybe you gotcha-ed yourself.
I didn’t misrepresent what you were saying. You claimed this graphic says Europeans have better climate stats than exploited coffee-producing regions. It appears to show most European countries as having higher carbon emissions per capita than any coffee-producing country.
Did you misrepresent yourself in what you were trying to say, or are you misrepresenting the graphic? Because you still haven’t explained what you meant if it was something else, you just got defensive and complained about me asking you to clarify.
“It’s not a gotcha”—proceeds to interrogate the point that was already clarified. Eat my entire ass snookums
Not my fault if you never read a Guardian article about the chilling prospect of Africa industrializing in the past fifteen years. You had time
You never clarified the point. And my last response wasn’t a continuation of the first, it was a response to your reply. So that doesn’t change the fact that my first response was not a gotcha attempt. My second was simply batting down your unnecessary hostility.
This post isn’t about the guardian, it’s about an infographic that shows european nations among the biggest per-capita carbon emitters. The only coffee-producing country that I’m aware of that I see in the graphic is Indonesia, which is near the bottom. So how was your comment relevant?
And unless you provide a source to a Guardian article saying what you’re claiming, I’m just going to assume it’s bullshit. They’re not the torygraph…
Yes, it is interrogating the mangled point that assumes background info, instead of the clarification of what I meant + it’s in the spirit of pedantry not inquiry, you’re going back to what I said about emissions as if I’m literally implying these papers actually argue that Africa is already in same the position as semi-industrialized light manufacturing powers like Indonesia, the Philippines, Mexico, other areas that have developed some industry in order to make products for Western companies.
Fucking lunacy I’m not spoon feeding you all of The Guardian’s trademark ecofash articles https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/14/africa-gas-exploration-climate-disaster-un-reserves https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/nov/07/pollutionwatch-africa-increases-reliance-fossil-fuels#comment-135267211 https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/africa-future-coal-oil-renewables-water but here’s a few
If the alarmist framing “carbon bomb” doesn’t give it away here, it’s the future threat of Africa’s development destabilizing the western financial system that concerns them. Not chiefly what would happen climatologically if they started using a lot more fossil fuels in order to keep up with demands of globalization + their respective debt traps. Just look at migrant labor on farms and first world countries. These people aren’t interested in mechanization. They’re interested in slavery. They never seriously invested in the green technologies that would allow Africa to develop without this carbon bomb going off, instead they wrote articles about how green energy wasn’t economically viable. Why isn’t avoiding the apocalypse economically viable? You’ll find there’s only subtle difference between Tories and Labour or whatever tf you people have over there now on important issues.
On western conditions, “climate protection” projects have become a semi-successful recolonization strategy where NGOs control African land instead of its inhabitants. Global emissions are used as political leverage to achieve this. They talked about using western state funds & retirements to spread a large forest preserve across the Sahel—this was of course pre-AES revolutions. Echoes old school feudal land agreements writ large, meant to ensure resourceful regions remain backwaters
I didn’t mangle your point, your point was mangled when you made it. I asked for simple clarification, but instead of clarifying, you assumed my intentions and then got all hostile and mangled your point even more.
I’ve got plenty of qualms about the west, about the dominant economic systems, about exploitation worldwide, about inadequate climate action. But journalistic reporting on increases in coal power anywhere is not one of my qualms.
Good to know you support the fossil fuel industry, though. Thanks for playing.
That’s right mfer, I will continue to assume Yandex search access & a grade school education on the part of my audience. Consider yourself forever counted out! You went from saying it’s not a gotcha to admitting yes, it is a gotcha, & you oppose the utilization of the petroleum industry by developing country, then ignored everything I said which was inconvenient to you. Wait until you see what I do in Africa! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Fake ass pseud mad on the internet again, you’re always so mad & you go excuse yourself to pout! This is why nobody spoon feeds people! You lack BASIC THINKING SKILLS your MOMMA didn’t teach you bruh. I’m so powerful I can afford to let you feed off the tip of my dick. I can spare the calories big boy
Since you generally fail subtext: I WORK IN THE PETROCHEM INDUSTRY THIS IS NOT A GAME & YOU’RE THE ONLY ONES WHO WANT EVERYONE ELSE TO LOSE. I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE
It sounds like you didn’t make it much further than a grade school education. In fact, you sound like you’re still in middle school.
That would be a blessing.
No, I never said it was a gotcha, that was you. You’ve only gotcha-ed yourself several times. Stop projecting.
I oppose the utilization of petroleum because it’s already done enormous damage to the planet, climate and ecosystems. My opposition to petroleum transcends geopolitical boundaries. I don’t make exceptions. Don’t pretend that’s somehow anti-Africa. You can use renewables.
Half of what you say is insane ramblings and inane drivel, a third of it is personal attacks, and only about a sixth of it is anything with a semblance of rationality worth engaging with.
I’m going through your comment line-by-line, so you can’t say I’m ignoring anything.
I don’t know what this is supposed to mean, but I don’t give a shit what you do as long as you’re not harming anyone or the environment.
Yeah, you are in middle school, aren’t you?
Childish, perverted, and megalomaniacal. A dark triad.
Aw, that’s a big-boy job for a middle-schooler. Anyway…
So you’ve revealed your biases. No wonder you’re going through all the trouble to defend the petrochem industry. So tell us, why should anyone take you seriously? You can’t even hold a grown-up conversation.
Oh, and this isn’t about winning or losing, this is about saving the planet from greedy tycoons who will never be satisfied with “enough” and constantly need to fuel their hunger for “more” by polluting the environment, exploiting the poor, and wielding power to prevent healthier alternatives from gaining a foothold in the market.
Now this I would have thought was funny if I didn’t think you were actually serious. What a loser.
Again, go read the conversation numbnuts. I WAS THE ONE WHO SAID BETTER ENVIRONMENTAL PRACTICES—YOU WERE THE ONE WHO SAID OVERALL HIGHER EMISSIONS
🚨 FORGETFUL DODDERING OLD MAN ALERT 🚨
YOU’RE BIDENING BRO MODS HE’S FEELING UP MY BOYPUSSY AAAAAAAA
Lmao see I roped you back in so easily after you acted like you were all done, “thanks for playing” now you’re trying to quote by quote deboonk someone MAKING FUN OF YOU HAHAHAHA you’re the one who needs to grow up bruh telling other people what to say when you can’t even understand a word. Lil buddy you gave up as soon as you decided to debate a misconception you had about what someone wasn’t saying. You didn’t address any of what I said, only what you thought about me, which I don’t care about. I prefer coherent conversations with normal people! You read the articles about The Guardian saying it’s afraid of the higher emissions of African industry, relative to the imperial core, no? Are you seriously not able to see how the argument is made to deny high industry to Africa in order to hoard it for the West? You are pro-EXISTING PETROCHEMICAL MONOPOLY. Hence your seething at me. Nobody will ever give a shit about how you want them to talk. You don’t matter, you just say inaccurate shit & make a good punching bag whenever you pop up like a gopher. It provokes a better understanding of how to explain things to idiots that aren’t as intractable & salty as you are.
Yes, I am serious, I drink your fucking milkshake! SEA petrochem is ours now! You guys threw the game!