• humanspiral@lemmy.ca
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    Renewables (with H2) can achieve type 1 civilization. Instead of interfering with a country’s attempt to provide us all with type 1 civilization status, and recommend cannibalism (surely a vote for eating the rich will prevail instead of eating you) instead for the lower consumption version of sustainability. Murderous war is perfectly acceptable alternative to cannibalism even if we (survivor class) are deprived of yummy babies.

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        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale . Type 1 for earth would be 10 QW = 10000 TW average consumption. We are currently at 18TW. Type 1 just from renewables is a bit of a stretch, as the definition is full coverage of earth’s surface in Solar. But 5.5x energy growth requires just 1% of planet surface.

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          I know what a type 1 civilization is but why is it something to aspire to? And how does it justify the irreversible ecological destruction which must be inflicted to get there?

          Production (and it’s correlated consumption) as the sole measure of societal development is a Cold War anachronism, leave that in the 20th century. Talking about MW of power and Mt. of materials and dollar efficiency of infrastructure is completely detached from the derived human value.

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            how does it justify the irreversible ecological destruction which must be inflicted to get there?

            It’s a better goal than forcing people to die.

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      Who’s to say we’re the survivor class?

      And a type 1 civilization isn’t even close to attainable in the near future, let alone before climate change makes it more and more difficult to achieve. Especially if we’re sparing the rich and promoting yet another war in the name of energy as opposed to actually dialing back and being conscious of what we impact.