Oh you’re done being wrong? Good.

None of what you’ve linked states that all food and drink are real. In fact, the passage specifically says (didn’t read it, did you, you dolt) that

there were some instances where real objects were replicated within the holodeck and used to interact with the holographic program

SOME INSTANCES

Since when did “some instances water is replicated” mean “all food and drink, ever, is always replicated”?

You didn’t have a good whatever your native language is called in school, did you? Because your reading comprehension sucks.

I’ve constantly kept the point that they’re not hard scifi and completely writers will, complete soft scifi. You’ve taken the position theyre hard scifi and that ALL food and drink is replicated. You’ve a stated something incorrect. I have not.

The first episode, Riker getting wet?

That’s your “proof” that all food and drinks are real despite the contradictions we have?

“real booze” is a matter of perspective

Yeah, it is. And the perspective is that of someone who doesn’t consume anything. But even he could consume the virtual beverage.

I’ve literally shown you several examples, you’ve merely implied one… from a pilot.

Next you’re gonna argue that Worf is canonically wrong because he doesn’t look like they do in TOS. :D Same exact logic.

The holodecks being inconsistent and literally a fantasy machine has been my point all the time. It’s you who’s argued that they’re hard scifi and completely explained. Yet you’re unable to explain anything, just repeating “tng ep1” as if that’s an argument.

I really can’t have “lost” an argument when you’ve not even presented one.

When you create a bar or a restaurant on the holodeck, all the food and drink there is real. You really eat and drink something, it has real flavour.

I’ve priced that’s not true several times. You’ve not backed it up at all. Riker getting wet or Wesley throwing a snowball doesn’t mean “all food and drink is real” just because some water was

The second quote is actually shortened for subtitles. The whole quote is “it’s not real booze, you’re in a holosuite, you remember?”

And your evidence for the holographic food akd drink being real was… what? I don’t seem to recall seeing any. Granted this was more than a month ago. This just came up on a rewatch and reminded me of this conversation, so I came to add it.

But sure, the holographic technology is just beyond my grasp even though it’s definitely explained in detail and definitely the way you say it is, despite the several glaring contradictions in your theory and the actual shows.

Guess I still just don’t understand this non-existent theory of yours. But the holo-tech is definitely described well and exactly as you have said. Deeeeefinitely.

Idk man I’ve never pronounced pterodactyl without a p at the beginning.

Order at any and all costs is pretty much authorianism.

Ever heard of entropy?

It affects sociology as well.

“Odo has no authoritarian tendencies”

I don’t think you need to be perfect not to be a fascist, but I guess that’s a minority opinion nowadays.

Oh that’s what the “S” stands for.

I just can’t respect someone’s opinions on writing when they don’t know it’s not “cannon”.

“Some romantic music”

Like actually romantic music that fits the scene or George Michael’s ‘Careless Whisper’?

What about Trill nonsense?

… It does

Oh, just any technobabble ever is enough to make something hard scifi and reasonable to you? I don’t think you’ve ever used reason, then. Which is sort of the issue here.

You can’t reason why the contradictions aren’t contradictions, you just stomp your foot “no no no I’m right and I don’t have to reason in it any way”

I’m guessing you consider Rick & Morty intellectual hard scifi as well, with those criteria.

Yeah true screenshot not a photo.

Anyway, it’s very clearly stated in it that it’s real food that he’s providing, with a strong implication that otherwise it’d be holographic.

But I think most of what you have is pure conjecture.

You know, because the holodecks are about as scientific as the TARDIS.

Which you just refuse to admit, despite the various contradictions one can just rattle a list of.

I don’t think you understand what our senses are capable of.

You’re literally just handwaving all the issues. Which is completely fine, as long as you stop pretending there’s some actually reasonable science behind this fantasy-machine.

The only limitations it has is the writer’s imagination and the budget of the show. That’s all. It’s soft scifi.

None of your explanations have even remotely explained anything. But you’re refusing to accept they are actually handwavy soft scifi, which they very much are.

Saying “volumetric displays and forcefields” doesn’t make it rational that a group of people in a limited size room could think they’re all in very different places in massive village for instance. That I could play tennis with you in the same village while there’s a whole dancing competition going on in the same village but 3km away, with competitors and real people in thw audience.

If you don’t realise that 16 people in a small room the size of a couple of buses couldn’t do that unless they’re being essentially completely neurologically manipulated and just still instead of actually being on a tennis court, then I can accept it. It’s completely just fooling your brain and not actually doing any of the things. That’s acceptable. Pretending that saying “volumetric displays and forcefields” is a good explanation for any of that is beyond ridiculous.

It’s a soft scifi fantasy machine. Maybe you’re just allergic to even thinking you might be watching fantasy instead of scifi and that just irks you doesn’t it.

But honestly, Outlander is harder scifi than this. And it’s not especially technological. (It still is marked as scifi though or was at least)

I provided you with an actual photograph with a quote that’s clearly showing that holographic food isn’t real, as otherwise Quark wouldn’t need to offer the person real food.

You’re just saying “trust me bro, it’s definitely real food”

Sure, TNG has like water leaving the holodeck as wet people can walk out. But Voyager contradicts those notions.

https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/143271/is-there-any-explanation-as-to-why-the-voyager-crew-dont-eat-on-the-holodeck

Tldr;

I just don’t see a way this could work.

Like I’ve said, the holo-tech is just beyond inconsistent and should not be anyones idea of “hard” scifi. The explanations contradict each other from one episode to the next and especially from one show to the next. It’s soft scifi and I’m completely fine with that. Are you?

pretty much halfway towards what holodeck does already.

Yeah, a bad copy that’s not affecting all of your senses as has lots of limitations?

VR is fun but it’s nowhere near fooling the senses properly. Proprioception, acceleration.

You refuse to answer questions which I say can’t be answered while still not agreeing with me that it’s goddamn ludicrous to even suggest the holotech has anything to do with hard scifi.

It’s a pure fantasy machine only limited by the writer’s imagination, nothing else.

Yeah it’s called a suite because it’s not a deck of any sort on a ship.

I’m still going to ask where you’re getting “all the food is real” from?

Nor do I think them necessarily not being federation holotech, which I also don’t know where you’re getting that, but since DS9 was under Cardassian rule and whatnot it’s not entirely unbelievable.

When you create a bar or a restaurant on the holodeck, all the food and drink there is real.

Idk where you even got this idea but here, from DS9, which would seem to contradict that.

S3e8 “Meridian”

Thats like saying “it works because of magic”

No amount of any technology would be able to make people think they’re in a vast desert with others several kilometers away when theyre actually standing within arms reach.

But the technobabble handwaving works for me.

There’s just absolutely zero point in pretending the holodecks are “hard scifi”