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and when it’s not still him- he’s involved.

Quark and Odo were the other bromance of the 24th century.

Though they may have been more like Grumpy Old Men.

Garak and Beshir were pretty much the bromance of the 24th century

I mean, the Defiant had internal nacelles. other (alien) ships had internal nacelles. or even just “Warp field maintenance coils” that would allow them to sustain warp until they got far enough away or someplace habitable. But I doubt very much the Saucer would be able to reach someplace safe just carried by “inertia”. particularly because the warp drive doesn’t seem to actually be the ship moving. (once the warp field collapses, the ship is dead in the water.)

Yes. Its okay. They can just turn them into instant hostages by separating the saucer section.

That’ll be fine. Nothing could possibly go wrong.

I don’t get why the admiral made such a weird face over it. Surely Admirals had to do PR stuff too; and ‘Captains Day’ was probably a common thing on any ship with children on board (and probably had to interact with families even when they weren’t allowed on board.)

Seriously, that admiral was probably one of the losers that ordered using children as a shield in the first place. I mean, er, allowing families, to uh, be together. on a totally-not-actually-a-warship-that-totally-doesn’t-nearly-get-destroyed-every-other-mission ship of exploration.

While also generally respecting the lore. As a die hard fan, I loved it. It had a unique perspective, amazing writing. Amazing actors. It fit into the broader universe while doing its own thing. Did it have Jedi? No. Did it need Jedi? Also no.

Compare that to discovery. None of that were minor changes, the show makes more sense if you assume everyone is tripping balls of Magic’s space shrooms.

It literallly felt like the only reason it was Trek was marketing and the writers just wanted to tell their own story. (Which would have been fine. I’d probably be more forgiving if it wasn’t trek.)

Episode 22 wasn’t a real episode. Some loser made a deep fake fan fiction!

that’s part of the problem with screwing around with all the timey-whimey stuff.

At the end of the day, it changes nothing. Like the year of hell arc in Voyager, with the krennim. the other species. all of that was just filler.

I’m just gonna say it. When writing things, you should never fuck with time. There are very good shows that do a good job of it, without it becoming the answer to everything.

Star Trek is not one of those shows. (Dr. who, comes to mind.)

Still over all enjoyed enterprise.

Which new show am I hating on?

(Also I liked enterprise. Just skip the last episode with Ryker apparently being Chef.)(discovery. Not so much.)

but BiscuitTop + Bacon + Eggs + BiscuitBottom is definitely better than biscuit, or bacon or eggs.

Spock is only half Vulcan, so he’s allowed to tell half lies.

It’s the reconciliation between his Vulcan side who never lie and his human side who always lie.

Was it a good game, though?

I hadn’t heard that before.

DS9 season one may have been inspired by an early show bible for Bab5, though. JMS might have left said bible with the producers when trying to get funding.

You’ll also note the rough first season for DS9, and that they didn’t really screw with things too much. After they got off that and went their own way, it got much better. Dark, sure. But better.

It might be nice to have a live action, but lower decks style, station-based show on the edge of some frontier, ships coming in to turn in maps and stuff.

“Cardassians visited today, they’re assholes.”

“Why is every new species a different flavor of asshole? Can’t we, like, meet some avian space hippies or something interesting?”

“You mean the Arrakoa? Yeah. They’re assholes too.”

The problem with both is that they disregarded established lore/canon/history. It isn’t that they refreshed ships to use more modern cgi /‘d practical effects.

It’s that they ignored what made trek great to tell their own stories. Abram’s turned Kirk into a sniveling, narcissistic brat, literally the worst qualities from TOS and Pike his idiotic enabler.

As much as I rag on TOS Kirk for chasing skirts, he’s not that bad of a person, he has narcissistic tendencies it also moments of selflessness. He’s complicated. Also basically Horatio Hornblower. Abram’s Kirk had no redeeming qualities except that SF admiralty was even dumber than him.

As for Disco, it’s like someone shoehorned a different story into being trek. It’s clear that the show’s authors and producers only slapped Trek branding on the story for marketing.

Writing inside an extremely popular, extremely well-developed universe like trek is hard. You have to be extremely careful, and balance story telling with staying inside the broader universe.

This isn’t to say there can never be changes- and we’ve seen changes as out-of-universe technology and budget changes (tos Klingons tmp Klingons…. They’re constantly getting new looks.) but they have a fairly consistent culture that got more fleshed out in TNG (also destruction of praxis did have some effect, leading to ruling houses being more prominent.)

The Disco Klingons? Are nothing like Klingons. They may as well have been an entirely different species. The writers didn’t care until fan backlash, and even then we mostly got bullshit excuses.

(Though Abram’s needed to lay off the lenses flares. Just saying.)

It’s going to be abramsverse all over again.

Look. If you wanna tell a new story… tell a new sci-fi story….don’t spackle Trek on it to sell merch.

That’s how you get shows like St:Discotheque, where it makes more sense if the crew is huffing them space spores and tripping balls.

I was gonna say… that last one is Vazquez Rocks. Uncle took us there when I was a kid, and bro wore a hole on his pants sliding down.

(Right over his but.)

Iirc, he was the project manager. The real engineers probably let him fool with interior lighting to keep him happy and away from critical systems….

They weren’t entirely successful.

Six seven.

Used properly, repairing pretty much anything with a sledgehammer will ensure it’ll never break again.