Gloomy

German here. We are 4 to 8 years away from Nazis becoming elected again, at least very likely. I’m looking with horror towards the US and just hope he burns it down so fast that the right shift looses it’s current drive in Europe.

Hey, Welcome :-)

How does that apply here? Maybe I am misunderstanding.

My point is this: I don’t think will hinder progress if we are told how bad the situation might be.

And yes, might be, not is. I understsnd perfektly well that the abundance of variables makes it difficult to state absolutes. Such is the way with science.

I also acknowledge that there are different predictions amongst the scientific community in regards to how bad it might get. Hansen is making a prediction towards the more pessimistic end. Others try to be overly optimistic.

My point is that I don’t think that the ovedy optimistic view is sensible. I understand the value of trying to remain positive and solution orientated, as only on the inevitable doom will lead to lethargy. I suppose we agree on that?

But I also think such a positive approach should be guided by reality. And the reality is defenetly not pointing towards a hopeful future. Hence we have to fight harder. Hence we have to look at the big picture while doing as much as possible within the boundaries of a system that is activly fostering climate change. Grounded on the knowledge of a possible collapse on a global scale within the next 20 to 200 years. We shouldn’t disregard that possibility, even if it is not the only possible outcome. It motivates me more than it drives me into giving up already.

And beeing told lies by people refusing to engage with the reality of how bad climate change is set to be is a good tactic, yes?

If I recall recall correctly the daughter of some oil barron has developed a conscious and is spending daddies money on sensible causes, like envirmental Organisations, Just Stop Oil beeing among them.

It got spun into “funded by the oil Industrie” to discredit them, but that has no base in reality.

Edit:

Jup.

Funding

Just Stop Oil reports that all their funding is through donations,[12] with the group accepting both traditional currency and cryptocurrencies.[14] In April 2022, it was reported that Just Stop Oil’s primary source of funding was donations from the US-based Climate Emergency Fund.[15] Through that fund, a notable donor to the group has been Aileen Getty, a descendant of the Getty family which founded the Getty Oil company.[16] In response, the Climate Emergency Fund stated that Getty did not work in the fossil fuel industry herself.[8]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_Stop_Oil

I don’t think anything exits on its own merit on the whole wide universe, but that is another discussion to be had.

Content here seems to rise and fall if they fit the narrative the community wants to push. I was quite active on r/collapse and it only got The doom stuff about climate change. Positive messages were filtered out. That’s just one example, but it seems to be how Lemmy works and Reddit used to work before it was invaded by bots.

I’d argue that is pushing the ego too. It’s a way to reaffirm the worldview one holds over and over. And that is, I think, a very ego driven thing, since we all strife to be right about things.

Can’t Messanger be used without Facebook? Mine asked me if in wanted to do that before I nuked it.

Isn’t Lemmy social media, or am I overlooking something?

That’s not what I’m saying.

Im saying that a world should be explorable from within, by interacting with it. You don’t learn about urban fantasy, historical fiction, call of cthullu by downloading the knowledge about it before you are born. You learned about them while you engaged with the world.

A newbie can be like a child, exploring a world that is new to them (and it is easy to have a role that comes up with a reason for this: Amnesia, Migrant from far away county, lived a very privileged live in a golden cage that limited expose to the outside, etc.).

Sure, there might be some explaining, as you brought up before, but that can happen from within the game, in character, giving the new player a chance go engage with a world that is as foraign to them as to the character they are playing. They should be able to learn about a complicated world as they go.

Maybe a bit of a hot take, but if your world needs to be explained in great detail and can’t be experienced with minimal background information, the world building might not be that great.