After all, why wo6uld these things be built where it’s logical to do so?

sh.itjust.works is pretty catchy though

Our Pyrenees would get in my way if I was walking towards the lake when I was a baby, if I managed to get too close he would pick me up by the pants and bring me back home.

You realize the safety equipment doesn’t prevent you from doing that, right?

What if it’s someone else hitting you, you would rather not have safety equipment? You believe you can compensate for everyone else on the road? And oil patch on the road? A truck blowing a tire as you’re passing it?

Buddy, you can’t even keep track of one fucking conversation, you over estimate your capacities. As I said, F1 drivers make mistakes and have accidents, you’re not a better driver than they are.

Ok but that wasn’t possible with the 80s car either, the difference is that with assist your car might brake before you can react and with safety equipment you might survive the crash.

Again, go ride a motorcycle if no safety equipment and light weight is so important to you, just be careful because braking distance is even longer because of the small contact patch with the ground!

With the same brakes and tires, which have both improved a lot even in the past 20 years.

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/performance-trends-mustang-comparison/

124ft braking distance for a stock 1996 Mustang GT

2024? 99ft

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2024-ford-mustang-gt-performance-package-manual-first-test-review/

I’m trying to find the source again, from memory the production itself was 2 tons of CO2 for a compact sedan and 8.5 tons for an equivalent EV and then the Civic (and that’s numbers I’ve just checked) emits about 3 tons of CO2 a year driving 16k km (which is less than the US average) while the EV emissions will vary depending on what is used to produce the electricity, but after two years the gas car has polluted as much as producing the EV and then a year later if it’s green electricity it was above the EV…

So if you take a Civic that’s already on the road and replace it with an EV you don’t include the original 2 tons from producing the Civic, but it only means three years of CO2 emissions from burning gas before it catches up with the EV production.

From memory after about 6 years the EV came out on top even if it was replacing a road worthy Civic even in the worst scenario…

We have to keep in mind that producing electricity from petrol is more efficient than using that petrol to move cars (even with the losses along the way) as car engines aren’t that great at extracting energy from gas…

Edit: just wanted to add that if we don’t just look at CO2 the same logic applies to other types of emissions and replacing old cars with newer cars even if both are petrol powered and it even applies to CO2 if someone is driving an inefficient car and is thinking that replacing it with a more efficient new car will be worse for the environment…

The discussion was about tire wear and now you’re bringing up efficiency into the mix.

Safety equipment is mostly about protecting the people inside the car (but also people outside the car), a motorcycle is much lighter than a car, would you rather get t-boned on a motorcycle than a modern car? Or a Model T instead of a 2025 Ford?

Brakes are better so braking distances aren’t any worse.

If even Ayrton Senna could make mistakes, I would rather all the idiots on the road have some tools to assist them and make them safer and seeing how you’re unable to keep up with your own conversation, I would rather see you having tools to make sure you don’t crash if you get distracted.

Hmmm

Maybe the base version in the US is more basic than in Canada 🤔

CO2 is directly related to fuel economy (no filtration of it) which is why diesel do better than gas. OP has a 40 years old diesel truck though, I wouldn’t expect it to be getting that great fuel mileage, especially not if they’re from the US.

Oops, sorry, I’ve been awake since 3am so my brain is kinda foggy

1705 X 2.2 = 3750

1880 X 2.2 = 4136lbs

Price doesn’t matter, size does. If someone wants a compact SUV they won’t cross shop with a full sized SUV just because it’s in the same price range.

I’ll say it again and again, the mistake was decentralizing the front-end as well as the back-end.

Sorry, 3k lbs for the base gas version, 3750lbs for the base electric version, directly from their website. The hybrid version doesn’t exist anymore but it’s not the first time I do this comparison and it fell right in-between.

4150lbs for an ioniq 5, 3500lbs for a Tucson, the first one being on an EV only platform. The Santa Fe is much bigger and that’s the gas model that weights the same as the ioniq 5 in the Hyundai lineup. So there, much better comparison than a bunch of vehicles from different brands. Because let’s be honest, you comparing the weight of a Mach e to an Explorer to show that gas vehicles weight has increased to the point of catching up to EVs doesn’t make much sense. Make an EV the size of an Explorer and see how much that weights! And your other reference is a sedan, which also doesn’t make much sense when comparing to an SUV.

Ok… Doesn’t change the fact that safety equipment that makes the car safer in case of an accident is heavier than not having it.

Why not compare a car that offers multiple variants instead of using different models?

I could tell you that my 1993 Audi S4 was close to 4k pounds to prove that cars haven’t increased in weight that much, it would be irrelevant.

If you compare the same model that comes in gas, hybrid and EV versions you get a realistic portrait. The Kona is one and going from gas to hybrid to EV is a 400lbs jump each time (from about 2900lbs to about 3700lbs).

Not necessarily, an EV running on green electricity catches up in about 30k km if I recall correctly, that’s two years of driving.

https://www.nationalobserver.com/2023/02/24/analysis/gasoline-versus-electric-cars-life-cycle-emissions-compared-canada

The vast majority of ICE cars emissions come from their usage, not their production, so it’s environmentally beneficial to take them off the road and recycle as much of them as possible even if they’re still road worthy.

I made the calculation with a 10 years old Civic vs new EV once and the math came out in favor of the EV after a few years anyway, especially if you get green electricity where you live… Now with a 40 years old diesel it’s even worse considering how much diesel emissions equipment has improved since it was built. There’s a reason why some cities like Paris are completely banning older diesels…

You have to take into consideration that the total emissions from your already existing ICE vehicle keep increasing very quickly over time where an EV has a higher total when comparing two new vehicles, but then the EV has so much lower emissions during usage that they catch up very quickly, even if the electricity they use comes from coal powered generators. Hell, the average big truck probably release as much emissions every year as what it took to produce it in the first place…

Not only that, the ongoing discussion format means all knowledge is in the same place and people don’t need to keep asking the same question over and over by creating new posts and you don’t end up with the same conversation happening in three different branches of the same post like on Reddit/Lemmy.

What I’m saying is that when you say “people are the shareholders”, they’re not the shareholders that matter. BlackRock, Vanguard, Fidelity, these are the shareholders that major publically traded companies care about. They might technically need to care about retail investors as well, in the end they’re not the ones who have the power to sway the votes one way or another.