How’s their postal situation? Sure would be nice if people started mailing them solar panels.

Do you not get ‘open on the internet’? All the three letter agencies hoover the data up, your countries equivalents do as well, other companies. It’s only a bit in one companies hands, because it’s ‘open on the internet’, just like xitter, facebook, tiktok, their walled gardens don’t stop state level actors, just us plebs (a bit). That just leaves control (in real time), some power, some money there, but long term it’s the data that counts.

Agreed. They’re both open on the internet and the data is in many repositories. Moot point (OPs’, not yours).

Just a version of the Pareto principle, or something deeper?

wow, lovely, thankee.

Ah, my bad, down to might be interesting I guess.

If you want to do it right, have a look at podlet (docker to podman quadlet converter), should get you 90% of the way there.

Normally my policy is “E2EE or GTFO”, but the concept only applies to a subset of Discord use cases. A good Discord alternative needs to handle the same variety of use cases as Discord.

E2EE for a public forum makes no sense.

Totally valid point, especially w.r.t. ease of onboarding for public usecases. Sure would be nice if it functioned (optionally) as a private forum as well. Seems like a lot of commonality there and covers the DM case and the ‘semi-public’ but discord is totally logging everything case. One can hope, but I agree, first things first.

Perhaps I’m missing something, or perhaps everyone who thinks Matrix is a good substitute for Discord just don’t use Discord very much.

Seems likely, certainly Matrix has some pretty evangelical supporters. I think you nailed it with discord being more useful for mid sized numbers and having a client that handles it pretty well. I’d also add pretty painless onboarding. An OSS offering that matched it’s primary features (and has E2EE) or has a good framework, roadmap and people to get there would come in pretty clutch as discord goes public and starts monetizing everything in sight. A million (or thousands) independent FOSS ‘discords’ in the night would be a sweet sight.

Fair enough, thanks.

Different usecase, but I wouldn’t be particularly scared. OP is about a selfhosted discord replacement (lacks E2EE so far I think), I’d quite like that if didn’t look like more of a maintenance burden than the rest of my stack combined (even without moderation burden, but I’m thinking of keeping a small server). I also think it’d be a social boon to have millions (even thousands) of independent discords pop up.

Do you host your own matrix ? Did it go down when matrix.org did ?

Fair cop, sounds useful, and I have used it in the past for similar. I was however looking at it in the context of Selfhosted.

its being used basically everywhere at this point. Government, healthcare, military, university, private industry, schools, etc.

True, and I have good hopes for it, partly because of the adoption, you will however note the scale of your examples, basically it’s an IT department project rather than a set and forget selfhosted container (I recognize there’ll always be moderation to do). We shall see, I’m in no hurry.

Yah, did so long ago. Comment still stands. We are in Selfhosted…

Can you? Can I? Best I understand it’s a world of pain. If there was a clear winner in the discord-a-like OSS race all these alternatives wouldn’t be coming out of the woodwork. Maybe it’s matrix (with an actually good client, proper decentralization, easy containers), maybe stoat, maybe … I’ve always hated discord anyway and have little need currently, I can wait.

voice/video chat

Thanks, could’ve been in the post text though.

Thanks for the quote, it caused me to actually read the source, which I enjoyed. It’s a good idea to put these thoughts into the post body.

As to abstraction layers I am reminded of “I have seen further because I have stood on the shoulders of giants”, and yet you must climb to those shoulders, ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny, and you will see further the more you understand the layers below.

I suspect it follows the pattern of a tree, you can only reach further up if your roots are deep enough to support it. A seed can grow wherever planted, hence new coders will do fine, and eventually come to this point (maybe toppling a few times, putting down more roots in response). A mature fruit tree has many years of bearing fruit.

As to AI making the process more soulless, mayhap, but making programmers more exploitable and fungible, almost certainly, but that’s the point.

moron

Isn’t that just Trump stupidity? Why engage? Shit’s effective.

Vote for Kirk / Bones. Solid.