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  • NaibofTabr@infosec.pubtosolarpunk memes@slrpnk.net•Let's get radical!English
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    10 days ago

    Common currency and measurement standards can and do arise without the imposition of state fiat.

    This was not the argument. You are moving the goalpost. The argument was:

    the fundamental functioning of people does not require ordering to be viable.

    Self-ordering is still ordering. Whether a government is involved in enforcing it or not is irrelevant, there will be enforcement of agreements even if the only ones conducting the enforcement are the concerned parties. That is order.

    No grand plan has to be drawn up by any central authority

    Sure, they don’t have to be planned and regulated in advance, but eventually common agreements will produce a regulating group with enforcement authority because organizing in this way is more efficient for the market overall.

    That group doesn’t have to be a government per se, but it will have regulatory authority.

  • NaibofTabr@infosec.pubtosolarpunk memes@slrpnk.net•Let's get radical!English
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    10 days ago

    Yes, I always form my socioeconomic conclusions based on television sitcoms, they’re the best source of opinions.

    Sarcasm aside, the idea presented here doesn’t work for any more complex form of cooperative labor (e.g. public water systems, telecommunications infrastructure, hospital services, large research projects, bridge construction, etc). Someone has to perform administrative duties to organize the work being done and ensure that the needed materials and experienced personnel show up at the right places at the right times.

    Like, try telling the head surgeon of an OR that the staff can be left to figure things out for themselves, and all the operations will get done correctly as scheduled without killing any patients. They’d laugh you out of the building. The surgery schedule would be chaos by the end of a single shift.

  • NaibofTabr@infosec.pubtosolarpunk memes@slrpnk.net•Let's get radical!English
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    10 days ago

    Hmm, are markets self-ordering?

    I think in the purest sense, just having some form of common currency would be considered “order” - unless you’re suggesting that only pure barter is necessary for a functional society - but then even that requires some broad agreement on weights & measures in order to function (e.g. how long is a board-foot? how much flour is 1 kilogram?). Collectively the market must agree on some standards in order to function.

    Also, unregulated markets always end in monopolies, with or without a capitalist economy. Sooner or later someone will try to establish themselves as the sole supplier of some good or service. Only active oversight and regulatory enforcement can prevent it.

  • NaibofTabr@infosec.pubtosolarpunk memes@slrpnk.net•Let's get radical!English
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    10 days ago

    “Bring an end to speculation and exploitation!”

    Have you met human beings?

    “The Sims know what’s best for them - just let them be!”

    And if it turns out they don’t, oh well! You can just say it’s not your fault, because you just stood by and didn’t take responsibility for anything!