Negativity of the AI crowd is so crazy to me while I’m having Claude Code Opus implement entire UIs on flutter and backend Go interfaces w/ unit and integration tests on a single go.

I have nothing to prove to you if you wish to keep doing everything by hand that’s fine.

But there are plenty of engineers l3 and beyond including myself using this to lighten their workload daily and acting like that isn’t the case is just arguing in bad faith or you don’t work in the industry.

Four lines? Let’s have realistic discussions, you’re just intentionally arguing in bad faith or extremely bad at prompting AI.

It’s possible the library you’re using doesn’t have enough training data attached to it.

I use AI with python for hundreds line data engineering tasks and it nails it frequently.

Unfortunately until they implement a For you algorithm across all instances and abandoned their archaic hashtag following system I will not be re-attempting

I tried moving to Mastadon first a few years ago and it was a pretty shit experience, Bluesky however has stuck in my app rotation pretty well.

Let’s not kid ourselves the user experience is much much nicer on tiktok than on Mastadon.

not including the one picture of the protocoll/network topology

This is a solid one from their wiki

Yeah I think we’ve been having on off discussions about ATProto’s place in the Fediverse here for probably 2ish years in multiple threads.

Looks like today the crowd has finally more sternly come to a decision lol. I think there were threads last year here around this ATProto with a lot better nuance and discussion, but Bluesky has been getting a lot of hate and misinformation thrown at it from this pocket of the internet lately, which is somewhat disappointing since they both the pocket should operate symbiotically.

Possibly a sign of newer Lemmy users though which is good regardless.

This is just wrong. Another platform similar to tiktok(spark) is in beta with their own infrastructure outside of all Bluesky servers and they have to deal with their own moderation. They can choose to read in any Bluesky data they please and bluesky can do the same with theirs.

If Bluesky shuts down all servers tomorrow they still exist. The federation is simply adopting their Lexicon into your relay and appview.

If you want a microblogging platform specifically you can easily run your own infrastructure similar to running an instance, intake all BlueSky posts and if Bluesky shuts down your app will continue operating using BlueSkys lexicon, however you’ll have to manage your own moderation.

Not sure of the point here? If your end goal is decentralization yes run another relay similar to how you’d host a Mastodon instance.

Even if you create a whole new network with a whole new Lexicon, BlueSkys firehouse intakes all Lexicons

Would love to know why you think it’s not?

We’re just arguing semantics just to argue at this point.

I can say how the paragraph says the majority of Fediverse platforms operate on ActivityPub and how ATProto is not within that majority at the moment.

Or I can say yes Diaspora is the only one that matches the original definition, but what is the definition now?

But a much better conversation is why we’re trying to fracture our conversations around decentralized social media? The data is open and can be bridged. At that point are both protocols the Fediverse? Why are we digging ourselves into a whole here on the Activitypub side and refusing to discuss how we can further the Fediverse and decentralization?

I’m fully aware that might not be #1 goal at the end of the day, but we’re starting to see multiple social media networks start to exist with their own infrastructure on ATProto (https://sprk.so/ is in beta) and more importantly hosted outside the US.

These separate networks can interact with the BlueSky network if they choose so and the BlueSky network can interact with theirs if they use their Lexicon. There are other lightweight apps being built on top of BlueSkys Lexicon and relay system as well that are whole separate apps.

To say that’s not their goal is a little weird because it’s possible right now? Sure it might be difficult but they’ve merged quite a few changes to make the relay system much more accessible, and have put a lot of effort into the identity system recently.

ATProto is it’s own protocol / network of social media services that are communicating with each other?

Posted in another comment but wikipedia disagrees.

The Fediverse (commonly shortened to fedi)[4][5][6] is a collection of social networking services that can communicate with each other (formally known as federation) using a common protocol.

We can argue semantics all day but at the end of the day I’ll hold the same stance that we shouldn’t be fracturing the communities and instead discussing the content and idea of a decentralized communicating social media landscape.

The literal first line of Wikipedia agrees with me?

The Fediverse (commonly shortened to fedi)[4][5][6] is a collection of social networking services that can communicate with each other (formally known as federation) using a common protocol.

Instead of being a patronizing ass, how about let’s have some discussion about

The ultimate goal of this subreddit is a fully decentralized social media landscape.

And how ATProto is not accomplishing this / what they can be doing differently than what’s outlined in their blog post

Or a counter argument to

Fracturing discussion between ActivityPub and ATProto helps no one, especially in niche communities like this.

The idea of the Fediverse is simply a group of social networks communicating through the same protocol, is that not what ATProto is attempting to accomplish?

I’ve been a long time supporter that ATProto actually is apart of the Fediverse. The ultimate goal of this subreddit is a fully decentralized social media landscape. Fracturing discussion between ActivityPub and ATProto helps no one, especially in niche communities like this. The long-term goal is the same, and whether that progression happens on protocol A or platform B it’s progressive nonetheless and we should discuss it.

I feel like this is falling down the same trap though. Ex. Someone who’s picked strawberries for 5 years is going to be FAST.

They are effectively a skilled laborer even though the job itself is “unskilled”. Yes anyone “can” do it but there are those who have effectively been doing it for years who are great at it and are skilled at it.