All five times are listed here.
None of that other stuff matters if they’re this incompetent at something as basic as SSL certificates. It’s not dogma. It’s not nitpicking. This is Security 101. I can’t recommend a distro that fails this badly at a basic security task to newcomers.



As someone who generally likes Arch, I feel like this isn’t brought up enough. Every Arch user seems to love pacman, but I find it way clunkier to use than apt and dnf. It’s like they made it cryptic on purpose.