With the amount of people burning out and the open hostility, no matter how much support seems to be said in the practical sense it doesn’t materialize. The interests are clearly not aligned and keep grinding like this won’t do any good to anyone mentally for sure.

I can only imagine it happening with a downstream out of the tree patchset where the rust people will just do what they need to do and eventually a bunch of drivers will start to be done in that branch that will never be ported to the mainline. It could take a decade more for that work to maybe go back into the kernel. Like other similar efforts happened before.

And clearly you didn’t read or have been following the r4l approach, because nobody is saying to change c apis. Go read.

He didn’t even say anything wrong. In all that discussion and whole thread linus could’ve said anything useful for either side or to help things move forward but chose to do nothing besides saying 2 things and they didn’t address any of the concerns. He just contributed to the problem. One could’ve said that he didn’t read or something, but no, he came, read everything, all the technical concerns, all the needs from the stockholders involved and decided not to address the elephant in the room!

I would’ve done much worse than hector and call half of the people there names.

Really people should go to the kernel threads and read all of them carefully and the links to the social media and read them careful too, it’s not too big.

Anyway what matters is apple/arm work will continue out of the kernel tree, downstream.

And this could basically also lead the whole rust effort go the same direction by all the betweens lines we can understand in the whole discussion. Basically there are enough people that feel that no other language other than C should ever be in the kernel. Doesn’t matter if it’s rust or not. No other. Even if some people are supportive, there are enough in key positions that will fight to not include it.

Haven’t you heard? Fortran faster than C now.

And they wonder why the rest of the world wants to avoid and run away from that language and culture.

Oh no, please someone pick it up.