I’m pretty sure OP wanted to make a post here about politics/religion but would have had it immediately removed if they said it in the post…
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Not really
Human variation…
Some people have difficulty with simple things, and they assume everyone else is the same because that’s their frame of reference.
The president does it constantly…
hatred towards folks who hold différent political views
– a born-again pro-choice
What people tend to hate, is religious people trying to force everyone to follow their religious beliefs
The vast amount of people don’t give a fuck what a religion says or what their followers do (as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone, especially children).
Forcing a 12 year old rape victim to become a mom, is hurting children.
Forcing a 17 year old to become a mom, is hurting children.
And forcing any person/couple to become parent(s) is hurting that hypothetical child.
And that’s not even getting into all the other religious views that various religions keep trying to make law to force everyone to follow.
1·19 天前Cool…
Right now all but one instance federates by default, if you’re saying going in the complete opposite direction and only one federating by default would be a bad plan…
Yes, obviously it would be
Like almost everything else, it’s not binary.
Some instances who don’t care can leave the door open.
There’s this weird insistence that “fediverse” all needs connected and agree on moderation, it doesn’t. That’s the entire point of it, that everyone has a wide selection of instances to choose from that do different things.
Not lashing them all together so that “admin” just means “power mod” and anytime there’s a disagreement they get to have a slap fight over it.
Even if one person wants multiple flavors, alts are very easy to make. If you young or old enough to need an app for this, loads of them automate it
Oregon Trail in the middle can always handle multiple websites tho with their own passwords and logins. It’s weird that’s something to brag about now though. Thank James Cameron I guess.
What?
It’s just not federating automatically day 1…
How can they defederate if they’re not already federated?
They can’t defedate anymore…
All I’m saying, is delayed initial federation, I hope this was simple enough.
They can…
But on a well maintained instance they get banned pretty fast. Like, less than an hour if they’re vote botting.
That’s why the problem is smaller instances that aren’t well maintained, either because admins don’t care or aren’t able.
On those since the home instance doesn’t act, the burden falls on the admins of every other instance to eventually ban each account.
Like,batelnback a second.
Think of it as admin who is putting their money and equipment up for this…
That is why I’m shocked they don’t defed already, it’s the only solution and the longer they wait the more trolls it attracts. Because they’ll assume they’ll get weeks/months out of it again.
You stamp trolls out quick or shit gets out of hand.
all those mods
Literally half of them are pugjesus…
And for clarity, it’s because I downvoted their spam posts about leaving .world but that they were keeping all their .world communities so no one could use them…
I 100% stand by those, I don’t know why admins haven’t just deleted those communities so the can be recreated and used
Anyone can put anything in a mod log…
That first entry, I’ve never commented in, only like 10 ever have.
https://lemmy.world/modlog/1471856
That “mod” just puts huge notes in there for their empty community, hoping naive users think that and agrees with them. Hell, mine flat out says the reason is I banned that user for something else, he got big mad, and banned me from somewhere I’d never ever go.
Then a chunk of Pig Jesus subs…
And a BanPitbulls subs, which is almost always an entry into racism…
Like,you need to use critical thinking bro, not just here but like, everywhere.
Apparently it’s an option. I’m assuming that means it can be changed later, I can’t imagine it being locked in.
Thanks!
So it’s just a setting they can flip at any time. When (not if) instance spam becomes an issue, there’s already a way to address it.
Keep in mind that the fediverse is not just Lemmy. It would be a lot of work to vet each new fediverse instance that comes along.
This could (hopefully would) be mitigated by blocklist admins monitoring one of the resources that quantify instance activity after like x months. If everything checks out, let em in with a reminder in y months to circle back.
Semi related:
I’ve always wanted to see a mod list that breaks down “local”. Like, you look at .worlds modlist from the main page, and it’s every mod action from every federate instance.
It makes it hard for users to see what their own admins are up, especially with how frequent these discussions is, I feel that option would increase transparency for how an instance moderates so users can make informed decisions where to set up roots.
I’m perpetually shocked that there’s zero vetting for federation…
Like, I get needing to give a new instance a chance, but it feels like shared between all the admins that federate, keeping an eye on them wouldn’t be hard for a probationary period.
But like…
Admins really saw a blank instance with “chan” being the only other word besides “lemmy” and thought shit was gonna cool?
Is federation really automated to the point no human makes a decision? If so, that’s an obvious flaw and trolls will just keep spinning up instances to troll from. If one person has to pay it all the time, it’s a hassle. If ~100 people are pitching in or taking turns and they don’t care what the domain is because they know it’s temporary…
Have admins even considered how to prepare for that?
Piefed defederating from that group of “anarchistic” instances would get me to change to piefed if .world didn’t immediately follow suit.
It’s not even so much that the users on those instances are all bad, they’re not.
It’s that their admin team (it’s really one group across multiple instances) are either incapable or unwilling to keep out bad faith users.
It legitimately doesn’t matter which it is, and bad faith users would love if that’s the discussion.
When rot spreads in a connected network like this, you prune it before it can spread. Admins got rid of hexbear, and thought that was enough. Since it wasn’t, it continued to spread and now even more drastic action needs taken.
I don’t want to keep relitigating this shit, but these decisions can’t drag out, the longer this goes on the more rewarding it is for those same users to infiltrate another instance and try the same shit.
All the problematic users have alts all over, but defederating from the main instances drastically cuts off their recruitment. They’d be forced to deal with competent local admins, and every post/comment wouldn’t include an advertisement for their home instance allows that type of shit.
Edit:
Or an option for an account to choose to defederate their account from instances on a case by case bias.
A setting page with every instance federated at large, and if you uncheck a box none of your comments/posts/votes are even sent to that service.
That is what a “block” should be. Right now it’s just “ignore” which is plugging your eyes just to their community posts.
That also gives admins a reliable pulse check. If 60% of users took the time to individually defend from an instance, they should evaluate if they should be federated at all, or at least ask their users why it’s happening.
why, can’t we spread the word to our friends?
Because it’s not to “friends” it’s to people who already agree…
You’re not changing anyone minds.
It’s like deciding to protest with a “meat is murder” sign, but you do it by holding up a sign inside of a convention center for vegans who think meat should be outlawed.
If your goal is to get people to agree with you’re in the exact right spot, be ause no one who disagreed would be there to see your sign.
Does that make sense?
The only way that “protest” logically makes sense is it’s purely performative and only done so that people who agree with you, acknowledge that they agree with you.
It accomplished absolutely nothing, and if you want to waste your own time go for it.
But if you can’t handle that critique on how to accomplish a goal with someone who agrees with you, how the fuck are you going to get someone to agree with you?
It’s more likely every time you try to convert someone, you just drive them further away
You don’t understand any of that?
Take a second to reflect on how many people you’ve ever convinced that didn’t already agree with you.
Or at least OP could try posting where anyone who sees it wouldn’t already be participating?
I’d be surprised if 0.1% of active users in here still use other mainstream social media.
Most people are here due to privacy concerns, even just to avoid monetization by billionaires. Using those sites/apps “sometimes” defeats the purpose.
Having any of the apps defeats the purpose, even if you don’t use them. That’s what OP should be pushing, for people to ensure the apps are deleted fully.
I explained this the last time you randomly called me a Zionist…
Are you surprised the same people who get the most upset about being moderated also abuse moderation the most?
Starting the y axis at 0 is the one true way.
But the funny thing is the only popular community on db0 is a place to complain about mods…
OP is seemingly upset those bots got banned almost immediately after they were created?
Like, it seems like .world’s automated tools catches it almost as soon as they start voting.
https://lemvotes.org/user/ecZ8T2UtW9@lemmy.org
That one lasted 3 whole minutes
I legitimately don’t understand why someone would be upset the system works at preventing this behavior on .world…
You made a post to lemmy.world’s support…
Complaining about lemmy.world admins banning accounts used for vote manipulation?
And that they banned a different account for spam?
I don’t understand the issue, did you want lemmy.world to not ban those accounts?
And why are you saying it’s against db0?
https://lemvotes.org/user/ecZ8T2UtW9@lemmy.org
Anyone can see what the accounts voted on, I clicked around on that one, and none of the votes I clicked on were for db0 accounts.
But the account was active for like five minutes yesterday, and almost immediately got banned, so again, I don’t understand why this post exists, especially since it’s being db0 into it
They based a lot off real navy ships…
So there’s probably a tiny doorway off to the side everyone walks by but never notices. And 5-10 stories of stairs later, boom, you’re in engineering.