If the tests don’t give any insight into the functionality it is testing, they are probably not the best tests.

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The issue is there is always Tumblr text below that implies the Klingon are trans forward.

First, the trill are not trans. Each symbiote/human pairing is considered a distinct person, albeit one with similar traits to their predecessor. This is emphasized on multiple occasions throughout the show, and is a central plot point in multiple episodes.

Second, the Klingon are one of the most ass backwards regressive societies in the show. They have a system that’s run by a select few aristocratic houses. They are bound by an ancient honor code that only Worf takes seriously most of the time. Women are explicitly disallowed from serving as the head of their house. The idea that the Klingon society is at all progressive is absolutely divorced from any sort of reality.

Finally, all of that is present in episode. Jadzia is explicitly told she is not bound by Curzon’s blood oath, because she’s not Curzon. The other two klingons basically spend the entire episode implying that as a human woman she’s not capable and shouldn’t be here. At the end Jadzia hesitates to kill the Albino in a way that Curzon never would.

It’s incredibly obvious that people who post that meme have not watched DS9, including the episode they are referencing. Instead, they are leveraging a Star Trek fan sub to push low effort pro LGBT memes.

It’s not the pro LGBT part that pisses me off. 90s Trek is progressive of LGBT issues. It’s the fact that they didn’t even bother watching the show. These people make being queer their entire identity, are in a star trek sub, and are too lazy to actually watch the fucking show.

So by “original Star Trek” you’re actually referring to a fundamentally different series. This hypothetical version of Star Trek magically keeps everything you like about it, while shedding anything problematic or downright bad.

The lengths anyone on this site will go to avoid admitting that they made a stupid hot take comment is wild.

In the defense of people who constantly post the meme, they’ve never given enough thought to Star Trek to consider that some random Tumblr screen grab isn’t accurate.

I’m always stunned how many people on this subreddit come off as vocally progressive, but don’t bother actually watching the show. I guess that would take a modicum of effort.

Cow pies. “Original Star Trek” clearly referred to TOS.

If OC meant a modern rendition of classic trek, they wouldn’t be speaking in hypotheticals. They’d just refer to SNW by name.

OP what do you think of Discovery?

I ask this because 9/10 times someone talks about how Star Trek was “always woke”, they are usually just salty people don’t like Discovery and trying to pretend that most people who criticized it were bigots.

The other 1/10 times it’s someone who doesn’t even watch Star Trek trying to hijack the sub to push a bunch of performative culture war nonsense. However that usually involves a Tumblr post implying the Klingons were socially progressive because of how Kor treated Jadzia Dax.

Just out of curiosity, what do you think is more progressive: a spaceship where all female crew is forced to wear miniskirts, a bridge crew that has exactly one woman, the part in the pilot where “Orion sex slaves” are introduced in the horniest possible way, or the married producer who was cheating on his wife with the only two relevant female cast members?

The 1960s was a long time ago. While there are a lot of TOS that aged very well, the idea that the show would be decried as woke is straight up delusional.

Thanks for that last part.

The reason I immediately jumped to the bullying is because I feel like I’ve seen this story a million times. Someone loudly proclaims some extremely popular moral opinions. In the process, they then proceeded to insult whatever morally defunct out group.

At first it seems great. After all, bigots/Nazis are horrible people that need to be put in their place.

However, over time, the definition of bigot/Nazi widens to the point where it essentially becomes meaningless, while the vitriol towards whatever group becomes more and more unhinged.

I remember on reddit there was a sub called justneckbeard things. It started by roasting toxic neck beards. However by the end they’d just be posting pictures of obese nerds, making wild and completely unfounded moral assumptions, and then using those assumptions as a justification to bully people.

I honestly don’t think most of the people complaining about bigots are here to protect tolerance. I think they’re just toxic people who enjoy being cruel.

Ffs. Let’s look at this thread.

The top comments are by far just assholes. They dismiss and demean people like high school bullies. They are overly cruel, and blatantly attempt to justify that behavior like pretending their targets are just deplorable who deserve to be treated like this.

I find it disingenuous that you focus on the comments downvoted to hell and completely handwave away this obviously shitty behavior.

Oh ffs can we cut this crap?

Yes, there are legitimate bigoted Star Trek fans. It’s the Internet. You can find an abundance of any extreme niche. I’m honestly willing to bet I could find an abundance of furry star Trek fans fairly easily also, despite furries as a whole being vanishingly rare in real life.

However it’s a lot more common to see legitimate criticism of Star Trek painted as bigotry, often by people who clearly aren’t really that big fans of the series.

You couldn’t criticize Discovery for the first year it came out without being called a bigot, and a lot of the people doing so would clearly have 0 idea about the greater Star Trek universe. I remember reading a multitude of comments calling Burnham the first female Captain or first black captain, saying how female senior officers were quiet and unassuming until Tilly came along, and a bunch of other shit that was objectively wrong.

I feel like most implied accusations of bigotry these days are low faith effort attempts to stifle criticism by newer fans who just can’t handle criticism. It’s exhausting and super toxic.

Finally Lower Decks is a grabbag of woke tropes but was met with widespread and is the most popular NuTrek among hardcore fans. That should tell you something more is going on.