Gonna say it aloud for the unweaned masses in the back.

The main problematic issue with most “we need an alternative for Yplatform in the Fediverse!” speech is the use of the singular. We are never going to get a good thing going if we push for “everything-app” platforms because they’ll be everything-apps, and the push of power is irresistible. Also, everything apps are much harder to develop for the same base feature set (“share a message” is easy in text, quadratically much harder on video), which is why VC-funded capital can do it.

We have to accept that what we need is alternatives, plural, to the various things that Discord and other platforms centralize. Because half the point here is we are against centralization. And allowing each project to focus on each problem separately allows them to take advantage of their own strengths, up to and including funding and provisioning (“get storage for a million items” is trivial on text; quadratically much harder on video).

We need a text messaging platform? XMPP already exists. Let’s go help.

We need audio chats? Mumble already exists. Let’s go help.

We need instant notifications? Surely something already exists. Let’s go help.

We don’t need “a walled garden but on the Fediverse”.

AWS going down

Now that would be the news. Statistically unique event hitting a specific group of people disliked by corporate? Defo would sound suspicious if you ask me.

OTOOH, “one of the only two pending storages of a project goes down that, by sheer density of the corporate users list, should have at least eight storages made available” sounds like a weird… secondhand schadenfraude, to call it somewhat.

I have seen lots of people. Mostly not here, but that’s because we here know better (I’d hope). Runs along with usual complaints such that they can’t move from a platform with 9trillion captive users to a new budding platform, conveniently forgetting that when they began Shitter and stuff also had like 0 users yet people did move.

Exactly!

people act entitled as if all that you mention was trivial and that somehow FOSS devs “owe” people, but we only see those big corpos make it happen because… well, they’re big corpos, burning VC money on makint it happen and making it happen in a controlled jail.

It’s worrying to see that it’s Matrix that’s gaining ground in IT, when IT people more than anyone else should know that XMPP is the better alternative, Matrix is a bloated nu-protocol in comparison.

It’s SSL warnings, they have to be shown to whoever is connecting, half the point is the system shouldn’t have to know if the connecter is a user or an admin or whateverelse. Of course, the real solution is still to solve the SSL issues behind the warning.

The comparison here is Discord, for which neither the people running a channel or its users have problems like that.

If Discord Inc ever forgot to update their certs, you can be damn sure we’d like to not have the warnings hidden from us. The only difference is here that status is not under control of running a channel / making community, so one could argue that’s actually worse.

Wait, so after ~10 years Wayland is finally going to have window positioning?

I’d assume the SSL warnings are due to issues with the hosters and not with Mumble itself (to my knowledge, the protocol has nothing to do with SSL). The other issue you mention with joining the main channel honestly sounds like someone at the dev team forgot to flag a feature for a good while, though, because autojoins should not rely on client conf only…

You guys are making me age like Matt Damon!

Oooh I did not know that! It’s good to be able to catch up to the tech, thanks much!

To my not up-to-date knowledge (2021-ish) audio calls work but they require an extension (on both participants) and are limited to 1:1, no “audio conference” support.

I do think there’s bridging for Mumble? If so that should at least cover the “audio chat” use case.

Version 127.0.0.1 forever!

What, no ranking for XMPP and IRC? They are by far the best alternatives in terms of openness, and have the advantage of being more focused on text-only and basic communication, securing the “do one thing and do it well” path. For things like voice chat there’s Mumble, but tbh I don’t know how is it doing.

Good luck! Report results.

This whole “FOSS names are bad” sounds like a Mccarthyism sysop by this point. Like, really, who is pushing that crap?

XMPP aka Jabber.

Well, recalling from my experience with a lot of software products, they all tend to rust by around or shortly before version 7, so…

XMPP, by a landslide.

Geez, I was willing to bet some coins that this was about cryptography either.

Honestly it could be worse. Moving from Xitter to Bullshitsky is at least taking some (temporary) steps of progress towards moving to the Fediverse.

The trick is to support them to do more than that before the cycle repeats.