Usernames removed to prevent brigading

What is this gatekeeping nonsense? We live in the free world. I don’t want that reddit “anti-brigading” crap here.

simple paradox of tolerance shit

Nah, misinterpretation. Censorship doesn’t stop shit. Suppression of intolerance means stopping it through coercion or criminalization.

we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force

we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal

Moreover, intolerance doesn’t mean the baby-brained notion on the internet of espousing offensive, exclusionary views. The nonviolent & noncoercive are still tolerant. Intolerance means rejection of rational discourse through appeal to force: coercive/violent action or incitement of it to overthrow a tolerant society.

for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols

Karl Popper opposed censorship/argued for free inquiry & open discourse.

I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise.

Censorship (or willfully blinding ourselves to information) plays no part in suppressing authoritarianism, and it’s extremely moronic to pretend it does.

People from the US agree with you. Lemmy is just overrun with irrationals who’ve never learned guilt by association, genetic fallacy, and other irrelevance fallacies are illogical & who’ve also never figured out that such irrationality is the root of many injustices. They’re small minded & contemptible.

My understanding is that the content is essentially self-hosted, so content removed from relays still exists on the posting user’s client

The relays are the hosts, not the clients. The only data the user carries is their unique public-cryptographic key to identify themselves & sign their messages. It’s independent of client or relay, so they can use any at will.

Curation/moderation doesn’t require relays. It can be done via the proposals/features mentioned before, which is distributed independent of relay.

most forums before Digg and Reddit did have rules

Usenet certainly didn’t, nor does the web in the grand scale. Enforcement was weak.

would remain technically on the systems you are referring to

Nope, it would have to be removed just like always. True of new systems, too.

Search result for Linux Security Modules

Linux Security Modules (LSM) is a framework allowing the Linux kernel to support, without bias, a variety of computer security models.

ie, implement security policies other than the standard model such as mandatory access controls.

exasperated

exacerbated

Not sure what that means: the function & signal are both named kill & the name signal is already taken. However, that’s a fairer position.

So the child porn still remains present, effectively.

Compulsory legal compliance still exists: it’s the free, open internet. Did you know laws existed before, too?

Ada

Don’t know about that. I think the brief descriptions on websites like nostr.com did a good enough job: there’s not much to get.

It’s a protocol, not a platform. There’s no global moderation/censorship just like there isn’t on the whole internet. Relay operators have full discretion over the content available on their relays: if they want to do more than the bare minimum, they can. Clients are free to subscribe to other relays or multiple. It’s technically free association rather than anti-moderation.

A user can choose to see only the content of followed users: that should eliminate most unwanted content. Apart from that, there’s no perfect moderation solution even on centralized platforms, so there isn’t here.

Client-side filtering remains the best approach for those who care. It doesn’t have to be manual as I mentioned before.

I recall earlier days of the internet when no one gave a fuck about this, and internet rage was just entertaining, easily ignored nonsense. Then it became eternal September, and tightass n00bs started acting like moderating the entire internet & foisting their dumbass expectations on everyone made perfect sense without ever having to learn the zen of not giving a fuck. That was the start of when it all turned to shit.

I’m lost. If a mod removes child porn on NOSTR, it removes it for everyone, right?

No moderators. A relay operator can remove it from their relay. There’s any number of relays. It’s roughly like usenet with respect to server-side content removal.

Strange to ask me when authoritative information is public online. Seems you don’t know much about nostr.

displays of tightassery & people sick of it

we should just go for the most offensive source code possible & fuck this noise

kill

like unalive? fuck this generation.

And if they can remove that, they can remove anything.

That’s why there’s no limit on the number of relays (events usually publish to multiple) or subscriptions to them (clients usually subscribe to multiple).

unpleasant time here if you loath all moderation

Still off topic, and the moderators here aren’t reddit moderator scum so far. The modlog offers decent transparency.

Why is that better?

User control & flexibility > illegitimate authority. Also, I remember an earlier, untamed, unrulier, more subversive internet than this corporate-friendly crap: it was funner.

any community anywhere online still needs to remove CSAM and gore and other things.

Legal compliance is different from legally unnecessary moderation.

Because a hashtag under a no-moderation concept could still be hijacked.

Not really: Nostr content is cryptographically signed. User’s client subscribes to some content curators who post as signed events their tags for other events. The client processes these tagging events to filter according to the user’s preferences.

Some proposals already exist:

• Reporting
• Moderated Communities (Reddit Style)

the fediverse will never be what you want it to be

Not the topic of discussion, which is function & protocol.

Yup, better. Moderation should be opt-in & is better handled at the client: the user could opt-in to a “moderation community” that publishes tags their client would follow. Such curation for anyone who wants that is a better idea. Far better than moderators we don’t get to choose.

I like Nostr over ActivityPub: simpler, more elegant protocol, decentralized, public key signatures, resistance to censorship, anti-moderation.

Content curation is voluntary & left to the client, giving the user greater control/flexibility & preventing moderator tyranny.

I’m astonished at the way you broke markdown to degrade accessibility. Special type of evil or inebriation?

So there are no moderation tools / whitelist/blacklists?

This is a good thing: bitchasses need to learn words are harmless & they can ignore them like humanity has done for millennia. It’s not built into the servers. Client-side tooling would handle it, so it’s entirely at the discretion of the user, which seems better to me.