Wait, people ask chatGPT for URLs??

I have to admit, I made it up. I don’t even speak Nahuatl. Pretty sure psychopatl isn’t a word in that language. I was spreading misinformation on the internet and you caught me, well done. Another victory for Truth

No, it’s “psychopatl” that’s Nahuatl for psychopath. Pretty sure it’s a Mexican, they have quite a few loan words

There is a term for this. Status quo bias or something

German has a word for it: Insektensterben

How many layers are we talking about? Four? Five?

Is this for people identifying as planets but are not read as such?

I like that story because it shows how important it is to take as many perspectives into consideration as possible. True, we don’t know everything and I would argue, this isn’t about knowing more than others in a linear/hierarchical sense, but the whole knows more than the sum of its parts. It’s crucial to take the local perspective into consideration and the paternalistic aspect of the prime directive isn’t necessarily the conclusion itself but jumping to conclusion without involving the locals. This makes it more complex than it might sound since the locals aren’t a monolith. But every decision is paternalistic unless you are willing to really listen to those affected.

This is the fallacy fallacy. Instead of engaging with anything I said, you acuse me of the ad hominem fallacy. No seriously, where do I attack the person? I attack their line of thinking and the terminology but if that’s ad hominem, what isn’t?

Also: if you can’t handle engaged arguments, maybe don’t use the internet, or maybe you should grow up. This is so typical for sh.itjust.works users.

This leans into a critic, Picard Season 1 and Lower Decks tries to address: TOS and TNG have this Alien of the Week, First Contact attitude: I came, messed around, and left. Sure, given that “I don’t care about consequences” attitude, not messing too much is a good idea. But maybe the given is the problem and eye level relationship just works differently.

I think Star Trek could argue either that they have no moral imperative to do ANYTHING at all, ever.

Well, Star Trek does argue that we have a moral imperative to do nothing and it’s wrong to help. I’m not saying they have to help each and everyone, I’m saying it’s paternalistic to never help. You either agree or disagree with me on that but I don’t quite get what this comment is doing on the agree/disagree binary/spectrum. Your first comment appeared to be on the disagree end.

If you want to invent warp speed travel, then so too could you:-).

I’m not sure what you mean. It reads like “it’s you’re fault that you die from a preventable illness we could cure in 5 minutes and that might take you a century to find a cure. If you really wanted help, you could just invent warp travel, not your fault you didn’t”

I think it is paternalistic to interfere because “you know better”

I totally see where you are coming from but hear me out.

The first mention of the prime directive is a TOS episode which is an explicit allegory of the Vietnam War with federation and Klingon Empire supporting each side (they even mention it, not the name directly but something like "a war in south eastern Asia in the 20 century. Remember, this was during the war itself). This is a total valid critic of imperialism.

But interference isn’t always about coming with all the solutions and saying we know better. It can be about offering help on eye level, taking the other side serious.

Let’s take vaccination programs. It is paternalistic to roll out a program that produces results that suit you well and make you look good on paper (looking at you, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation). It is not paternalistic to be in exchange with the locals to adjust to local needs and most and for most release the patents which didn’t happen with the covid vaccines due to the prime directive argument that only “we” know how to make vaccines safely. (I hope release is the right term, meaning making public domain)

Edit: TL;DR: Prime Directive is a good concept in it’s first mention that was generalized in the wrong direction

Thanks for proving my point by using paternalistic language. So we have no moral obligations to civilizations with magical thinking because they aren’t our cultural equals but inferior? We can just watch them die and do nothing because they believe in zodiacs?

Besides: magical thinking isn’t even the criterion of the prime directive. It’s about warp technology. If it was about the scientific method, it would make a little more sense but even that’s independent of morality.

And what do you even mean with ““nice” civilizations”? So primitive/naive civilizations have to learn the hard way what technology can do to finally use the technology for good? We can’t give them vaccines before they had a world war? What has the one thing to do with the other? And how do you use words like “grow up” and claim it’s not paternalistic?

Paternalistic implies the benefit to be on the recipient

What does that even mean? I can paternalistically talk down to someone with no benefit or malefic to anyone except maybe an insult. I can control people paternalistically to my benefit and I can help and guide them for their benefit. Paternalistic doesn’t imply any benefit on any side. It’s about hierarchy, about feeling superior to people you don’t deem worthy to make decisions on their own or rather take their view serious and if anything, you confirmed my view that the prime directive is paternalistic.

Hot take: The prime directive is a paternalistic concept

Kissing people without consent is never good. Consent matters

Which sounds wholesome (and I don’t say it’s not at all) until you realize Nichols wanted to do something else, I think it was musicals, and King convinced her by saying “we need you to have representation. When you’re gone, anyone can take that position, even an alien” and so she stayed instead of self realization.

I thought of that but it’s live action. But true, the beginning is animated. Thanks!

SNW

Sure it wasn’t Lower Decks?

Lemmy and mastodon are not really connected, I don’t know about the others. I would focus on one protocol (is that the right term here?) and show different instances. I’m not on lemmy to follow mastodon users, it’s a very different concept

Is his first name John or Join?