There would have to be some kind of underground trade in spank bank programs lol. No matter how utopian you want to get, humans at least are sexual beings, and I don’t see that not being expressed in holo when there’s already full on pirate scenarios lol
Well, I am charming as fuck lol. Maybe.
Bad joke aside, from what I’ve seen it’s more about how they disagree more than the fact of. Don’t get me wrong, there’s a fundamental personality issue going on there, and he can be difficult. I just haven’t seen much in the way of arbitrary bans just for holding different beliefs. There is a lower threshold for, shall we say, aggressive disagreements though.
Mind you, I don’t haunt the mod logs and track down every occurrence. Just taking a general sense of things over the years.
I dunno, I had a few slap fights with dessalines, but no bans. So, even that tiny margin is different at least
You know, it’s implied there’s sex in the holodeck, at least in the shows. Haven’t read the books to have a clue about that. But, if trek were real, I sometimes wonder how the policy of that would have developed.
I tend to be the sort that if I voice something akin to this subject and it gets twisted into an allegation, I’m going to explain what I mean more fully, or determine if the person just has an axe to grind, or at least take the time to examine their take and see if I should change my thinking on a subject. If they just have an axe to grind, I’m out because I don’t have patience for zealots. If it was a misunderstanding, then it’s easy to fix. It is also entirely possible that someone could come up with something I hadn’t considered.
I’m old as fuck though. It makes me a bit more willing to listen than when I was younger and might have gotten het up over someone bringing up a tangent to a big issue. And, I’m also less willing to tolerate when someone is just looking for an argument by throwing an allegation and assuming the worst rather than just talking like a decent human being. I’m too old to argue with a zealot, so I just walk away. Even online, I have to be in a foul mood before I’ll give energy to someone that’s not acting in good faith with me as a fellow human being. In meat space, I have body language, tone and such to help make that determination, so I tend to walk away quicker (though often with an eye roll and some muttering about wasted time.)
Legit though, in the comic’s scenario, there would be nothing that could come after the “but” that would be germaine. Hypothetically, yeah, a person could be coming up with something that wasn’t going to negate the original statement. It just doesn’t work out that way when it comes to discussion of marginalized peoples. Like, since I first became aware of humans being shitty to groups of humans they don’t like, it’s a thing. Nobody ever throws out “I support gays, but…”, or “black people deserve civil rights, but…” without following up with something that works against their previous statement.
Folks bringing up stuff like your example? They’re not going to say it the same way. “But” is used in a way that negates more often than not, and when it’s about supporting a marginalized group, I have never seen anyone throw a but without negating their supposed support. Worse, it’s fairly common in my experience that the “but” ends up being a dog whistle or outright bigoted.
Going back to the vegan example (and let me interject that this conversation has been really awesome, I love it when people engage the way you are), if someone says “but animal hormones”, they’re effectively saying that their belief in appropriate manufacture of medical products is more important than the rights of trans people to access gender affirming care.
If they didn’t think that, they’d most likely, go with “and it sucks that trans people have reduced access to ethically sourced hormones”. It’s a different way of thinking about a given issue. There’s ways to expand a conversation to include one’s related thoughts without using a negating conjunction. You know in role play and improv, there’s a guiding principle of “yes, and” instead of “yes, but”? It applies in this kind of situation, with the choice of but rather than and pointing to a less humorous situation.
Like, in running over this example, if I had an objection to the source of the hormones, my way of expressing it would come out “I support trans people. I really wish the pharmaceutical industry would support them in a way that reduces harm to animals as well. We can have both.” That’s the phrasing that came into my head when I put myself in that hypothetical vegan’s place.
It’s a different way of communication, it’s a different way of thinking.
With most things, I would tend to agree. It’s just that with marginalized groups, that “but” is only rarely going to be something that’s not just a dismissal of some part of the fundamental issues that make the group marginalized in the first place.
Not sure who has experienced what, but here in the south I have lost track of how many times I’ve heard things like “black people are great, but…” or “I don’t have anything against gays, but…”
There’s a way of thinking behind buts when applied to this kind of matter that’s different from “I like shrimp, but…”
Hopefully with consent ;)
I get what you’re saying, totally. And it is perfectly acceptable to disagree with aspects of a “cause” while still supporting the people involved.
But (hah) that’s not really the point of the comic.
It’s when you feel the need to throw in your “but” after a statement of support that is at issue. It’s not the fact of being free to have objections to the pharmaceutical industry using animals that’s the problem in your example. It would be, in the context of this post, that you felt that your objection was tied to the right of trans people to exist with equal rights.
See, objection is to a completely separate issue. You can focus on reducing or eliminating the use of animals in medicine without tying it to the right of trans people to have access to gender affirming care. If your objection is to the animal issue, great, wonderful. That’s a separate conversation.
And I’m only using that example because it’s the one you used. It could be anything, any “but”.
Like, my little issue that intersects enough that it could be a but is allowing dedicated spaces. There are times and places where a branch of cis gendered experience is being shared, and someone that isn’t part of that group is going to be extraneous or possibly disruptive. Like, you don’t have a support group for men that survive testicular cancer and think it’s okay for a cis woman to show up. It’s okay to exclude women from that. It’s also okay to exclude anyone that hasn’t had testicular cancer, even if they have testicles. It’s also okay to exclude people that never had testicles at all, even if they’re men, regardless of being cis or trans.
That, however, is absolutely unnecessary to bring up when I say “I support trans people”. There’s no but there. The support is full stop. No buts. There’s zero need to drag that separate issue that just happens to intersect in a peripheral way with some segment of the trans population.
That’s what the comic is about, not blindly accepting things. What it comes down to is that if you think your “buts” are more important than supporting the rights of trans people, you aren’t really supporting them. And that’s what adding that “but” means. It’s saying that whatever your issue is is more important, that it overrides that struggle.
That’s it. The presence of the but in that statement indicates it isn’t true. And that would be the case for any “I support” statement.
I’ve said it before, but sometimes a meme reminds me it needs saying again.
Y’all trans folks?
I love you all. You’re beautiful, and the world is a better place because you’re in it. The fact of trans people existing makes for a more complete and wonderful humanity than we’d have without you. I know that doesn’t mean much coming from some internet rando, but if I could have one wish fulfilled for other people, it would be that everyone could see what I see when I look at our trans brothers, sisters, and others.
In fairness, they’re both absurdly handsome guys in excellent costumes.
The hair just grew a different direction
Ngl, makeup is a combination of craft and art, and it ain’t easy.
When I would have female patients back in the day, there was a marked benefit in them being able to get dressed up, do all the extra stuff and feel pretty in the chapel, or at dinner or whatever. Didn’t do as much of that in home health as in facilities what with male caregivers being less requested in that branch of care. But that’s why I put effort into tying, because the benefits were massive.
Learning to shave legs was easy enough, especially compared to faces. Armpits took some adjustments, but wasn’t something that would get screwed up by inexperience, it would just take longer. Even figuring out how to help an elderly lady get into a bra right was simple enough once I got past the awkward.
But makeup? I never got good at it. Just passable. Lipstick was simple enough, I guess, but it still had a learning curve, and I wasn’t responsible for picking the right colors, I just put on what they had. Same with stuff like mascara (the easiest for me), blush, or the dreaded eye shadow (that was where my skills were weakest).
The point being that anyone struggling should take it easy on themselves. It’s a learned skill, not something people are born knowing. Well, maybe there’s some inborn ability for color choosing, I dunno. All the little gender coded skills are similar, imo, but make-up is a much more complicated art to gain proficiency in than most, and it has a major effect on one’s self image if one wants to use it at all.
Mind you, it is a skill anyone can learn. If my goofy ass could manage to pick up the basics, someone with more coordination and attention to detail will get there way faster and more fully than I did. So, ladies, don’t beat yourself up over the learning curve. You’ll get there eventually :)
I, too, pack a .357
Alas, it is not a firearm
Not you, the weirdos that lust after the actors from the show lol
Not at this point, no.
Still feels weird that people obsess over them that way though
On a general level, the lighting is diffuse and the focus loose. The pose is one that implies a shared moment. This gives an implied intimacy, even were it just a random pose.
However, it’s also showing a shirt pulled aside, which heightens the sense of intimacy.
Overall, while it’s definitely not a sexual image, we’re partially conditioned to connect intimacy with sexuality. This makes it hot rather than just another picture of the same person. She’s a gorgeous woman, but if she was just standing somewhere, the only “hotness” would be in the mind of the viewer since such a pose has no triggers to pull.
But this is a very sensual image. I just wonder if the person that snapped it knew what they were doing, or just got lucky.
Fucking love that movie :)
Back in the day, duct tape was used for that, as well as some breast tissue positioning and immobilization.
It was never a good idea, even for short term use, and it would usually only be people fairly new to controlling their body that would use it. As soon as they made friends that had experience, they’d usually switch to other methods. There were some drag queens that preferred it for stage work, but that’s a different thing entirely even though the use of duct tape in those circles does linger at times because it’s cheaper when you’re using whatever control product you choose more often.
But, yeah, the use of tape in one form or another goes back to at least the 60s that I know of, though duct tape wasn’t always in play afaik. Not like I’m a historian, I’m just loosely familiar with bits and pieces from immersion in the old solo school lgbt community. Hell, mostly from when it was mostly just lgb tbh, though I try to keep up on basic info for when someone in my life expresses a need/desire for info to get them started.
And on that note, it’s important to remember that duct tape is maybe the worst possible choice for top or bottom control. There’s old tricks where it can be used in very limited ways to give a little tactile shift in small patches, but I sure wouldn’t recommend it despite it still being done.
Yeah, until a bunch of cylons wipes out the station
It often is, fo sho
Oh yeah, Klingon daddy, do me in the Jeffries tube! Do me hard.
But yeah, you know horny ensigns looking for a hidden spot would wedge themselves in there