What if you woke up tomorrow and completely lost access to your bank account, credit cards, PayPal, and Venmo, all because of something you posted online?
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It is about time for Wero and Digital Euro do get fully implemented across the EU. Until then, there are at least IBAN bank transfer that can secure a minimum viability of financial needs. That is at least for the EU, Brazil, India, China etc have alternatives in place already anyway.
Link to article?
It’s there. More crossplatform issues. https://youtu.be/tyqEYDisiZA
Visa is already censoring the world’s porn. As if we needed more reason to hate them.
not just porn they are inserting themselves into every entertainment industry. all based on being control freaks. If you look at who visa vocally supports its a crazy rabbit hole.
Almost like controlling the finance sector gives you an outsized control over the way a modern economy functions due to the fusion of industrial and banking capital into finance capital. Lenin wrote about this over 100 years ago.
Extend this thought to the rest of the finance sector - retail and investment banks control the flow of loans to businesses, investing only in firms and ideas that they believe will generate profit, while also being able to deny people access to funds at their own discretion.
For the USA and the rest of the world, Brazil has its own payment system as far as I know, and Europe is making one already, so jokes on you. Correct me if I’m wrong.
You’re Rose. It says so right before the @
Time for more monero
Class action lawsuit. Their terms and conditions when I opened my accounts did not mention this and further, updating those terms and conditions and then closing my accounts is not justifiable. Since I’m likely not the only one they will do this to, it sounds to me like they need to learn a lesson.
My online campaign to point out every time one of their executives has said anything sus would be legendary.
If things were shut down to prevent access to anything, I don’t think legal action is possible, or even the path to take. Probably why it would never be done that quickly or drastically. The art of oppression is knowing the limit of what people will put up with and not crossing the line, but moving the line slowly. Go too fast, the commons get upset and find their torches.
I know this is off topic but the cc companies are going crazy from a state law that passed saying how oh it will be so bad because they just won’t be able to handle it at all and will have to pull out or something. eff em.
Pretty sure having a bank account is like an EU right, so banks can’t just close your account willy-nilly over some online post.
Yes, but VISA would hold the keys to the infrastructure that let’s you use it in in a modern world.
WERO might be the EU alternative.
WERO…xD It sounds like a duck, it looks like a duck, oh, it’s a duck!
Stay informed about changes to the law, planned surveillance, and so on. The European “wero” system has to comply with European law… so everything will soon be under complete surveillance… It’ll be really great once eID and EUDI are in place… If you live in Germany and post something online that Spain, for example, doesn’t like, your accounts will be frozen and so on, because they’ll be able to bypass the banks.
So again: It sounds like a duck, it looks like a duck, oh, it’s a duck!
Ah, so the good old nationalist argument. If the EU exploded tomorrow, none of these problems would go away. But we would cement the control of third country services, totally out of our the control. Generally, given how decentralised power is on EU level it is often less hard to fight these things on EU level than on national level where the executive is often much more powerful and just steamrolls through with much higher success rate.
The fight against the surveillance state is something we have to face in any case, no matter the framework. A look at the Sunny Uplands in the UK should make that obvious.
Spain is not a third country, as an EU member state it is bound by the same fundamental rights charter that also applies to the EU level as well as to Germany. If that doesn’t cut it, then having everything purely national won’t make a difference either.
Needless to say that your comment does not even have anything to do with the Wero system to begin with, yet apparently it is a duck.
Got anything to say? Or do you prefer vague accusations that could mean anything?
Except for maybe international online payments, there are already alternatives, so I don’t quite see how.
Not the banks, but the countries. The EU is getting the EU Wallet, and it must be linked to at least one bank account. This will allow other EU countries to enforce penalties and freeze accounts, seize funds, or whatever. Cool, right? 🤮
The EU wallet is not about financial transactions, is it?
Also there are two systems in the making, one is the public Digital Euro, the other is the private Wero. Sure, accounts could be frozen but neither a single company nor the US could freeze out people out of their financial life.
Most likely it is an EU right, but violations would require a lot of effort to straighten, so I wouldn’t be surrised if they do sometimes close accounts willy-nilly
This is why I liked the idea of Bitcoin in the beginning. (Before it became what it is now).
I still like Monero. It would make shit like this impossible to touch by authoritarian idiots.
That point has been completely missed by all the speculators and the characters who hate the speculators, especially the institutional gamblers but think they hate btc.
Without having watched the video, but having an idea of what it’s about given seeing a few places and creators I follow being sanctioned because the payment processors getting butthurt, I think it’s worth mentioning crypto and direct competitors to the Visa and Mastercard mono(duo?)poly.
On crypto, if issue is that it burns too much energy, afaik generally new technologies are like that, improvements to consumption happening over time.
And about direct competitors, Russia made one from what I read, Brazil has Elo, and I think the EU was introducing their own recently. All 3 countries/country-like territories with their own problems, but I think it’s a worth idea to copy and improve upon.
Also fomenting use of physical cash is a good idea too, me thinks.
Fwiw, there are already some cryptos which use proof-of-stake instead of proof-of-work which overcomes the entire electricity consumption thing.
I do wish that places started accepting cryptos which were meant to be used for transactions (e.g. NANO) rather than ones like bitcoin that just happen to have existed for a while, but is technically inferior to most everything else.
Unfortunately, crypto in general challenges not just payment processors but the entire banking industry, and that’s probably too much to ever succeed.
Interesting!
About challenging the industry, I remember reading some years ago that Visa/MC enforced higher taxes on the companies that also accepted crypto. If that is/still is a thing, might give a hint of why it isn’t more widely accepted.
Yeah, it’s probably part of it! Banks are even more obvious about it. E.g. in the UK where crypto is a taxed and somewhat regulated thing, most of the banks have taken the stance of rejecting any payments to and from(!) exchanges, even if they’re approved by the government. All because it’s “high risk so they want to protect users”. No such issue with gambling though, obviously.
I think you’re confusing Elo (just a local company) with Pix, a government created interbank payment system. And from what I know of Pix, yes, we should all definitely copy that.
Elo the “bandeira” (forgot the name), similar to Visa and Mastercard. But about Pix, now that you mention it, I think PayPal does too? Although not in some countries.
Pix has no taxing whatsoever in direct transactions. The only reason people still use cards is due to habit.
Banks also offer parceling payment, but each one does that on it’s own way afaik. I never used it. Not leaving payments for the future is a load of my mind tbh.
That’s why we Germans love cash. By the way, all it takes is for the government to face a crisis… Just look at China and its real estate crisis. Many people don’t use cash anymore, and they ran into problems when they couldn’t make digital payments or withdraw money, etc.
Lol wut.
Most banks on Germany charge you for taking cash out of your own account. It’s one of the most difficult countries to use cash without getting fined for using cash
I’ve only ever seen that happen when using an ATM that belongs to a different bank
Edit: But Sparkasse would be a great negative example, because your point would hold true there—since not all Sparkasse branches are the same—and special laws were even drafted specifically because of Sparkasse, since they were actually charging fees as high as three-digit amounts back then. That was legally capped at a maximum of ~€10 (I’d have to look up the exact amount).
The vocal fry made that video unwatchable, jfk. I think the video is about financial censorship. They have been warning about this for more than a decade now, but most recently Trump issued an executive order to force payment providers to keep customers despite religious or political beliefs (article by yahoo finance).
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What if you woke up tomorrow…
Yes if you “woke” up too much you will be censured
