ICE still makes the most sense for bike form factors. My motorcycle gets almost 400km range on 17L of petrol. My electric dirtbike gets 60km (and full sized electric motorcycles get around 150km).
Batteries in cars truly makes the most sense right now. All my cars have large battery packs (despite them not being full ev). I can’t justify a full ICE car when hybrids are cheaper to run and more efficient. If I could afford an EV, I’d swap my plugin hybrid immediately.
“400 km” - Most bikers do not sit on a bike 4 hours straight. I’ll never ride a noisy ICE bike, but I do find silent, instant torque electric bikes interesting.
I would reread the comment you’re replying to. No one is claiming to sit on a bike for 4 hours straight.
Many motorcyclists use their bikes for road trips and joyrides. It’s very common to ride for 1.5-2.5 hours non stop between breaks to stretch ones legs.
Road trips are out of the question on an electric motorcycle even if you have a bike that supports fast charging and you live in an area with many fast chargers. With an electric car, you can chill inside a climate controlled cabin while it takes 20ish minutes to charge. There is no such luxury on a bike. Sustained highway speeds drain the battery as there is no gearing. You would need to stop for a 20-30 minute recharge every hour, which is not feasible.
Also if you’re travelling over 60km/h, wind noise drowns out engine noise. And engine noise on modern motorcycles is very quiet. You might be imagining Harley Davidson bikes with the exhaust baffles drilled out and then applying that to all motorcycles.
The USA is not the world. Most of the world rides motorcycles to commute daily in short rides.
Most Zero models have over 100 miles of range highway, at real highway speeds. So no, you do not need to charge every hour. Most chargers are within…horrors…WALKING DISTANCE of a nice cafe.
Harley-Davidson’s best selling ICE bike only got 90 miles of range.
I’m talking about Canada actually. Most Zero models have up to ~100 miles in mixed usage riding which is city driving from 40-80km/h in short bursts with occasional bouts of highway at 100km/h. Real life usage always has much less range.
Since commuting on a bike is only feasible for most of North America for only a few months per year, motorcycles in North America are joyride vehicles. Also just for your information, there are many models of motorcycle made by Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Suzuki, etc. None of them are Harley so I don’t understand what your point is about a low range Harley. Perhaps you misread my comment.
There’s no valid argument in your case. I love EVs. I love my electric dirtbike. I wanted to get an electric motorcycle. The reality is that range and gearing make electric motorcycles unfeasible for the overwhelming majority of North American use cases. Try and be less snarky when arguing about things you have no direct life experience with.
“no such luxury on a bike” - let me make this clear: a “1.5-2.5 hours non stop bike ride” to nowhere is a luxury, exceptionally lazy luxury. I would reread the post you’re replying to.
You’ve clearly never ridden a bike so it’s silly for you to try and debate the experience with me. I suggest you actually know something about the things you argue about with strangers online. This conversation is over.
ICE still makes the most sense for bike form factors. My motorcycle gets almost 400km range on 17L of petrol. My electric dirtbike gets 60km (and full sized electric motorcycles get around 150km).
Batteries in cars truly makes the most sense right now. All my cars have large battery packs (despite them not being full ev). I can’t justify a full ICE car when hybrids are cheaper to run and more efficient. If I could afford an EV, I’d swap my plugin hybrid immediately.
“400 km” - Most bikers do not sit on a bike 4 hours straight. I’ll never ride a noisy ICE bike, but I do find silent, instant torque electric bikes interesting.
i was going to say thats a long time on a bike.
Most pickup owners never haul anything. Since when is vehicles sales rational?
I would reread the comment you’re replying to. No one is claiming to sit on a bike for 4 hours straight.
Many motorcyclists use their bikes for road trips and joyrides. It’s very common to ride for 1.5-2.5 hours non stop between breaks to stretch ones legs.
Road trips are out of the question on an electric motorcycle even if you have a bike that supports fast charging and you live in an area with many fast chargers. With an electric car, you can chill inside a climate controlled cabin while it takes 20ish minutes to charge. There is no such luxury on a bike. Sustained highway speeds drain the battery as there is no gearing. You would need to stop for a 20-30 minute recharge every hour, which is not feasible.
Also if you’re travelling over 60km/h, wind noise drowns out engine noise. And engine noise on modern motorcycles is very quiet. You might be imagining Harley Davidson bikes with the exhaust baffles drilled out and then applying that to all motorcycles.
The USA is not the world. Most of the world rides motorcycles to commute daily in short rides.
Most Zero models have over 100 miles of range highway, at real highway speeds. So no, you do not need to charge every hour. Most chargers are within…horrors…WALKING DISTANCE of a nice cafe. Harley-Davidson’s best selling ICE bike only got 90 miles of range.
I’m talking about Canada actually. Most Zero models have up to ~100 miles in mixed usage riding which is city driving from 40-80km/h in short bursts with occasional bouts of highway at 100km/h. Real life usage always has much less range.
Since commuting on a bike is only feasible for most of North America for only a few months per year, motorcycles in North America are joyride vehicles. Also just for your information, there are many models of motorcycle made by Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Suzuki, etc. None of them are Harley so I don’t understand what your point is about a low range Harley. Perhaps you misread my comment.
There’s no valid argument in your case. I love EVs. I love my electric dirtbike. I wanted to get an electric motorcycle. The reality is that range and gearing make electric motorcycles unfeasible for the overwhelming majority of North American use cases. Try and be less snarky when arguing about things you have no direct life experience with.
“no such luxury on a bike” - let me make this clear: a “1.5-2.5 hours non stop bike ride” to nowhere is a luxury, exceptionally lazy luxury. I would reread the post you’re replying to.
You’ve clearly never ridden a bike so it’s silly for you to try and debate the experience with me. I suggest you actually know something about the things you argue about with strangers online. This conversation is over.
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Toyota has been making hybrids before everyone, by DECADES.