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  • masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    2 days ago

    my brother in Christ,

    We are not brothers.

    that’s our entire history

    Maybe read some of it, then… then you can explain to me how a (supposedly) “isolationist” empire based in the continental Americas manages to have a gigantic naval base in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.

    • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.net
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      2 days ago

      SUPER easily. you’re describing anti-imperialism, not isolationism. anti-imperialism: we shouldn’t interfere in anyone’s affair. isolationism: no one should interfere with what we’re doing, no matter how vile and evil.

      some examples of isolationists:

      • james munroe
      • thomas jefferson
      • andrew jackson
      • jefferson davis
      • adolf hitler
      • josef stalin
      • every single member of the un clan
      • vladimir putin
      • george w bush
      • donald trump
      • masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        2 days ago

        you’re describing anti-imperialism

        So you don’t actually know what words mean - that explains a lot.

        SUPER easily.

        Will this be taking long, then?

        • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.net
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          2 days ago

          So you don’t actually know what words mean - that explains a lot.

          No. I do. You don’t. I can understand your frustration that “isolationism” sounds like something it isn’t, but unfortunately it is what it is, and it has an established meaning and you not liking that doesn’t change the fact that it means what it means. I saw you in another comment saying we shouldn’t use the world the racists created for their concept, which I do agree with but most of the time we don’t have the luxury of time to establish that I think it should be called something explicitly stupid like “fartpoggin” so that the sound of it is dumb enough to discourage people for falling into isolationism of fascism because the word the originators chose for it made it sound like something else or something sexy. But again. Most of time time we’re talking to other people about things and the most expedient way to do that is to use established terms as they’ve been established. I WILL NOT be carrying a conversation where you try to convince everyone that America isn’t isolationist because it’s imperial. I’m sorry, but I just don’t have time for that. Let’s have the conversation about that America tortures the planet and the isolates itself from consequences by refusing to agree to the terms of the ICC, the Paris Climate Agreement, the fucking Treaty of Versailles, you fucking name it, we isolate ourselves from consequence ALL THE TIME (hence the term Isolationism)

          Will this be taking long, then?

          It wouldn’t have if you were willing to listen to others, but here we are. Still spinning our wheels because you don’t understand what a word means and you think everyone who isn’t you doesn’t understand it. At a certain point this conversation will simply need to end because you’re not paying attention to what anyone else is saying because you have the world’s dumbest axe to grind and are getting in your own way of making coalitions with people who do basically agree with you, but you require purity of terminology in online discussions and drag a conversation away from what matters into administrivia that absolutely fucking doesn’t

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            2 days ago

            and it has an established meaning

            Established by whom? The same people who applauds when the US “tortures the planet and the isolates itself from consequences”?

            but you require purity of terminology

            Am I the only one who understands the propaganda value of terminology around here? Perhaps we are “still spinning our wheels…” but I’d say it’s rather because the propaganda machinery of the status quo is still running rings around us if we even allow them to dictate the meaning of words at us.

            Next you’ll be telling me we should also not reject liberal’s definition of things like democracy or justice.

            • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.net
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              2 days ago

              Next you’ll be telling me we should also not reject liberal’s definition of things like democracy or justice.

              See. That’s the opposite of what I’m saying. We need to get them to understand that “isolationism” is a bad term. It’s a bad thing. It’s bad to be isolated from the rest of the world. We as individuals are meant to be connected into the context of the community around us. These fuckfaces want to be isolated and insulated and alone. This scales downwards. They want our imperial nation alone, they want their party alone, they want their city disconnected from others, they want their family alone, they want to be alone. They want to act and behave without consequence or reinforcement from anyone around them. But what a sad life! We are meant to have connections with our family, with our friends, with the people we encounter on the street, with visitors from other places. We’re meant to go out into the world and meet other groups and bring all of that wisdom home with us and enjoy the fruits of our own labor returned to us as gifts from a mutually beneficial lifestyle of cooperation.

              It’s easier to repackage the emotional context of these words than it is to re-establish their meanings. Re-establishing meanings is new speak, it is a weapon of the enemy and I will not use it. Re-establishing the way these words impact us and each other, these are our weapons. This is the power that we have. Fighting fire with fire will only leave the whole world burned. It’s better to fight fire effectively by isolating it with a fire line, starving it of fuel, and then dousing it.

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      2 days ago

      We are not brothers.

      Sheesh homie didn’t realize he was playin with a ice cold badass muhfucker.