“This battery can go 3x as far as current ones” is perfectly understood by anyone.
solid-state battery architecture with energy densities between 400 and 500 Wh/kg, which is two or three times that of the current EV battery landscape.
So 3x is the upper limit, comparing probably to the worst of current cells, which I think is LFP. So let’s be generous and use the 3x figure, and not the lower end of the spectrum.
So, the highest range “common” car, which definitely does not use the least dense battery, can achieve reliably only 465 miles. So if that switched to this new tech, it would get some 1000 miles at best (which is great, but close to half what’s promised). Which begs the question: what currently in production car were they thinking of when touting a 3000 km range?
And now comes my assertion: that car doesn’t exist. They’re full of it and they know, they just wanted something for headlines. And the specialized media was supposed to catch that but didn’t, because journalism has been reduced to parroting press releases, devoid of any critical thinking.
Note that headline says “we have questions”, but didn’t ask any of that, which would be the first thing to ask: is this true? If it wasn’t for the very sane point at the end that nobody wants a 1800 mile range vehicle, the whole article would be little more than a puff piece for Huawei. Bottom tier journalism.
I wrote near 1000 km. But above 800 km mixed, and above 950 in good conditions, on a single charge on currently available production cars, is pretty close IMO.
I did not count concept cars, because I know there has been some pretty crazy concept cars made, that will NEVER be possible to buy.
So the EQXX should do about six miles per kWh. Which isn’t far off double the efficiency of your normal EV this size and performance.
That double efficiency comes at extreme cost of materials the car is built with, and probably also lacking equipment that is normally present. Also if I remember correctly, the battery is not production ready, and does not have good durability.
Still, I think is safe to assume those batteries are on the higher end of energy density, so the Huawei battery would be something like twice the density (which, again, amazing). So those would be upgraded to 2000 km with the new tech.
I agree 3000 km sounds pretty crazy, even if possible, almost nobody needs that.
So instead it will be a cheaper smaller lighter battery, with probably around 600 km range in average cars.
The real issue here is not 3000 km because that’s irrelevant, the issue is whether they can make better prices, security and fast charging.
The 3000 km is just a number to sound impressive.
“This battery can go 3x as far as current ones” is perfectly understood by anyone.
So 3x is the upper limit, comparing probably to the worst of current cells, which I think is LFP. So let’s be generous and use the 3x figure, and not the lower end of the spectrum.
1864 miles / 3 = 621.3 miles, which comes close to the recent figure of 607 achieved in a test for the Escalade IQ. Important to note that GM only claims 465 miles of range that, and that test only achieved that by limiting speed to 60 mph.
So, the highest range “common” car, which definitely does not use the least dense battery, can achieve reliably only 465 miles. So if that switched to this new tech, it would get some 1000 miles at best (which is great, but close to half what’s promised). Which begs the question: what currently in production car were they thinking of when touting a 3000 km range?
And now comes my assertion: that car doesn’t exist. They’re full of it and they know, they just wanted something for headlines. And the specialized media was supposed to catch that but didn’t, because journalism has been reduced to parroting press releases, devoid of any critical thinking.
Note that headline says “we have questions”, but didn’t ask any of that, which would be the first thing to ask: is this true? If it wasn’t for the very sane point at the end that nobody wants a 1800 mile range vehicle, the whole article would be little more than a puff piece for Huawei. Bottom tier journalism.
Mercedes and a Lucid have production cars with near 1000 km range.
Are you talking about the Lucid Air? Stated EPA range is 512.
The only Mercedes I found with a 1000 figure was 1000 km or 626 miles for the Mercedes Vision EQXX concept.
But my search prowess isn’t what it used to be. I’d love if you could provide the models.
I wrote near 1000 km. But above 800 km mixed, and above 950 in good conditions, on a single charge on currently available production cars, is pretty close IMO.
https://ev-database.org/car/2193/Mercedes-Benz-EQS-450plus
WLTP 825
City - Mild Weather 955 km
https://ev-database.org/car/1696/Lucid-Air-Dream-Edition-R
WLTP 828 km
City - Mild Weather 960 km
This is how I sorted:
https://ev-database.org/compare/electric-vehicle-longest-range#group=vehicle-group&rs-pr=10000_100000&rs-er=650_1000&rs-ld=700_1000&rs-ac=2_23&rs-dcfc=0_300&rs-ub=10_200&rs-tw=0_2500&rs-ef=100_350&rs-sa=-1_5&rs-w=1000_3500&rs-c=0_5000&rs-y=2010_2030&s=6&p=0-10
I did not count concept cars, because I know there has been some pretty crazy concept cars made, that will NEVER be possible to buy.
That double efficiency comes at extreme cost of materials the car is built with, and probably also lacking equipment that is normally present. Also if I remember correctly, the battery is not production ready, and does not have good durability.
Thank you.
My bad, misread that as miles.
Still, I think is safe to assume those batteries are on the higher end of energy density, so the Huawei battery would be something like twice the density (which, again, amazing). So those would be upgraded to 2000 km with the new tech.
I agree 3000 km sounds pretty crazy, even if possible, almost nobody needs that.
So instead it will be a cheaper smaller lighter battery, with probably around 600 km range in average cars.
The real issue here is not 3000 km because that’s irrelevant, the issue is whether they can make better prices, security and fast charging.
The 3000 km is just a number to sound impressive.