Another madlad used clay tablets in that thread
Who ever said they were gonna “stop real artists from making art”?
I think the implication is that if you take away the AI tools, the AI bros can no longer make art. Whereas a “real artist” can make art from just about anything.
I’ve also seen people write that AI “democratizes art” and “makes art more accessible”, when making art is literally the most accessible human activity besides breathing.
A lot of their trouble is that they see the art as being the thing that the artist makes, the product, and believe that it is something an artist jealously hoards unless paid sufficiently to part with some of it. Capitalist brain rot basically, but most of these folk are so deeply immersed in capitalism they can only think in those terms.
Likewise artists who have grown used to being paid for their art see their livelihoods threatened, not because thier ability to make art is being taken, but because they can no longer control access to the product of art. Those who appreciate the process will still try to buy their work, but that is a much smaller market and it’s only going to shrink as artists need to push up the per piece price because they can’t sell in bulk to corps.
Of course I think we can keep furry smut in business. Even if we don’t buy often there are a lot of us, and I think we can maintain a culture of favouring human process.
making art is literally the most accessible human activity besides breathing.
To just make anything sure, but if you’ve got a specific idea in your head you want realized, well that’s going to take development of skill and talent. Breathing requires no skill or talent whatsoever.
I’ve had ideas in my head, concepts for artwork I wanted realized, but lacked the skill to actually bring it to life. Before GenAI, my only option was to pay to have it commissioned which gets prohibitively expensive really quick for an individual.
That’s what people mean when they say “makes art more accessible”, getting the idea of exactly what they want in their head realized without having to drop 200$
Absolutely fuck companies using it when they can pay for all the art commissions they need or have artists on staff though
Except no one is entitled to talent either, and that’s the unspoken presumption unpinning all of this. The fact that the entire technology is built off of the unethical use of other’s art just reinforces the entitlement of it all.
The fact that the entire technology is built off of the unethical use of other’s art
No it’s not, the technology is built on datasets for training, where and how the data for the datasets is obtained is where things can be ethical or unethical.
There are datasets out there solely built with data that was either owned or had express permission to be used in that manner. Adobe’s AI offerings for example is probably the biggest case of GenAI being built with “ethically sourced data” (for now anyways, Adobe being Adobe it would not surprise if it were to come out in the future they were lying the whole time)
You can have an ethically trained GenAI model
You’re arguing their point, though. The issue has always been whether or not the data is sourced ethically, and the intent behind creating said technology from that data. Gen AI from the very beginning has been about divesting the effort and skill of workers to avoid having to pay them for it. The fact that the general public can use stuff like ChatGPT is merely creating additional profit for them while letting people partake in that same exploitation of the working class.
Not to say that you can’t have ethically sourced data and create great tools from that. There’s a company that I think Procreate has partnered with this past year that has commissioned artists (who also get paid royalties, I believe) to create training data for their Gen AI in their website design suite. That’s great: the artists get paid, and nobody has to spend all day making buttons for a shitty website’s UI.
But, even your previous statement falls into the trap of not wanting to pay people what they’re due for their skills. You said yourself that without Gen AI, you wouldn’t be able to create what you want because paying an artist is too expensive. Art is and always has been a luxury. Our society has simply devalued the skills of artists to the point where people believe that they’re entitled to those skills. Until such a time as artists are paid what they’re due, I can’t support the use of Gen AI. When that situation changes, it’ll be a different story, but right now, it’s like buying fast fashion from China because luxury fashion brands are too expensive.
People are so caught up in obtaining the end result of “art” that they don’t understand that the process is just as important, if not more, than the end result. And that the art is the result of years of working, not just the hours put into one drawing.
The ethical sourcing of the data was your biggest argument against it, everything else is just… Classic “people of ol” arguments when technology progresses. Niche skills dying out when tech advances is a part of life and people will always always seek out and pay a premium for things that are made “with process”. There are no more blacksmiths in every village, but they still exist AND charge an ass load for their skills. The same will happen with AI when things simmer down
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Gen AI from the very beginning has been about divesting the effort and skill of workers to avoid having to pay them for it
No actually, GenAI has been worked on for years now by researchers, we’ve got papers all the way back to like 2010. Companies are trying to take the technology now and wield it like that, but it certainly didn’t start that way
Wait, so it’s ok for you to avoid having to pay for art, but not companies?
AI bros have a real penchant for making artists out to be some cult of ivory tower elitists and that AI is the Great Equalizer knocking them off their high horses and giving them access to the good old boys club or whatever.
Art bros when they accidentally discredit all photographers
I know it’s a reptile but I’m going to need to see some nips on that dragon.
Why would anyone use a monospaced as your default browser font?
As someone who regularly looks at, reads, and writes code. I get angry when I have to read text that is not aligned in nicely spaced sections.
I never thought of trying this until now. I think this may work a lot better for my brain
Someone who’s old eyes can easily read it.
Gatekeeping and art. Name a more iconic duo.
