“We never USED to have to see gay people grumble grumble.”
Yeah because they were oppressed and underground! What the fuck, how simple can this get?
“I noticed that those other people exist and and are living their lives, so you must stop shoving them DoWn OuR ThRoAtS!!”
But these people thing a good show is Last Man Standing where he gives dumps political commentary every episode and endlessly rips on his illegitimate grandson’s dad for not being manly, anti-Obama rhetoric, pro-military progun…
“We never USED to have to see gay people grumble grumble.”
You saw them, they just had to hide it in fear of threats, ridicule and abuse
'I didn’t mind the gays when they kept ‘em all in California…’
“I don’t mind gays so long as they don’t shove it down our throats all the time”
Says the guy who exclusively wears UA Freedom shirts and their personally revolves around maga hats/flags, thinblueline punisher skulls, and wE tHe PeOpLe
I can’t believe the people complaining about this. Have these people never met a gay soldier before?
They have, even if they think they haven’t.
The thing that gets me is that so many people are talking about a fucking KISS ON THE CHEEK.
But they aren’t talking about the fact that this Klingon guy is so different from other Klingons that he didnt want to participate in a hunt and shoot a bird??!
There are many things to complain about, but this gay relationship isn’t one of them 👏
These people aren’t watching the show, they’re just being outraged by the item of the day.
A GAY KLINGON? THATS OUTRAGEOUS!
{What’s a Klingon?}
You’re probably right! Anybody who’s watched it can tell the ratings dropped because it was a slow, relatively uninteresting episode. Not because of a few seconds of a non-straight relationship. 👏
Someone needs to research the concept of Shudō…😂
Many warrior castes were VERY gay… haven’t they seen the movie 300!?
All those macho Klingons, packed on those Warbirds for years? You don’t think there’s been a little Slap & Tickle going on?
It’s a super masculine race of warriors that has two of every organ, including that one, I mean …
Nobody saw that coming from the delta quadrant away?
Didn’t Seth Mcfarlane make two gay Klingons based on lore?
the moclans, were genderless/hermaphroditic race. they were traditionally MALE(according to thier society) and could lay eggs which produce male/female offspring. orville took elements from the cogenitor epsiode of enterprise, and the genderless race in tng.
Moclans. And without spoiling one of the best setting development arcs I have ever seen in sci-fi, it went very quickly from being a gay joke to being an absolutely gripping drama.
Wait. Klingons weren’t gay?
A warrior’s sexuality!
Nothing’s more manly and warrior-like than two men getting it on obviously, but the feminization of klingons is problematic.
I’m assuming this is from SFA, which I haven’t watched. But weren’t Klingon women like, strong and ferocious as fuck? Based entirely on what I can remember Worf saying, it seems like Klingon sex is always initiated by the female literally assaulting the male, and then they’re married after.
I can’t imagine you’d really be able to tell the difference if a Klingon was gay.
Not always no. In Generations when Soren punches one of the Duras sisters she tells him he’d better have been initiated a Klingon mating ritual. And in the De-evolution episode Worf bit Troi in the face claiming her as his mate.
That’s right. I remember now. In that case, I’d say it’s damn near impossible to tell the difference and I’d be surprised to learn that most Klingons don’t swing both ways, at least a little.
We’re pretty sure they have two penises, maybe ones for boys and ones for girls.
But weren’t Klingon women like, strong and ferocious as fuck?
Exactly. Klingon women are more manly than one of the protagonists (a supposedly male klingon) in SFA.
This is all of course fiction so whatever. I wouldn’t make daily video essays about it even though I think it’s a bit off.
Derdia?
Ugh
Low hanging fruit at best from lazy writers who heard the word “Klingons” and “progressive” so went with this
Seriously, had I seen a gay Klingon on TNG I would have completely gone with it because TNG had (mostly) great writers that would make some awesome episode about it that would make you think and talk about it for days.
But this being nu trek, I suppose the guy will remind everyone 5 times each episode that he’s gay. He’s a Klingon but they’ll make him effeminate, even though female Klingons not once not ever were like that. They’ll make him use all sort of modern sassy expressions or something and all the open moral and ethical questions that TNG would do will be completely 100 % if ores because why make an intelligent show if you can just virtue signal and call it a day?
Modern trek sucks sooooo bad, and yes, I’m so happy I stopped watching as it was making me depressed. Star trek, of all things, was making a progressive person depressed. Fuck nu trek.
Seriously, had I seen a gay Klingon on TNG I would have completely gone with it because TNG had (mostly) great writers that would make some awesome episode about it that would make you think and talk about it for days.
Thank goodness, nothing like that. There’s nothing to think or talk about, other than to shout down bigots. His relationship is built up in the background of unrelated episodes, given no more focus or fanfare than any other character’s relationship. No one so much as says “huh, a gay Klingon”. It’s a non-issue. He’s just matter-of-factly gay. In other words, they handled it perfectly.
I mean, the fact that Klingons being different may have to do with losing their world and 800 years of evolving? But sure, I’m sure he’s the only one that didn’t act like a berserker lusting for violence (Even though Worf and Alexander were other examples of culturally different Klingons). My only hangup with Klingons is the constant shift in appearances. Species don’t change drastically 3 times in one century usually. To trigger so many mutations Qonos must be constantly shifting in climate.
It’s also the first time I remember seeing a Klingon medical researcher but I don’t see anyone getting bent out of shape about his unusual, you might say progressive, career path for some reason
Make him wear the female klingon attire and then never mention hes gay again, itd make peoples heads explode
StarFuck Academy is a blight upon the Star Trek Universe.
Would you say it’s more or less of a blight than faith of the heart?
Wait, you’re telling me these SciFi Spartan analogs are GAY?!
When will the Woke end? Next you’re going to tell me the Trill are gender fluid!
Is that what those symbiotes are swimming in?
Proof that Sisko is straight as an arrow
Sisko was Curzons lover
Gay people: Exist and their relationships are depicted in media alongside straight ones, with the same emphasis
Dumb Motherfuckers: WHY ARE YOU MAKING A BIG DEAL OUT OF PEOPLE BEING GAY? STOP SHOVING IT DOWN OUR THROATS!
I wish someone would shove some gay down my throat.
It’s the free drugs argument all over again, the right wing promising us good times that never actually happen in real life
It’s like that thing where if a meeting has women talking for 20% of the time some men freak out about how it’s all women all the time.
They’re emotionally keyed up so it feels like a bigger deal, and they’re emotionally keyed up so they’re not going to rationally assess this. That’d assuming they’re acting in good faith to begin with, which is not a given.
I can’t tell you how tired I am of the privileged whining about how the onset of equality is discriminating against them.
They think they’re losing rights and freedoms when in reality they don’t have as many more rights as disenfranchised groups than they used to. It’s not a pie chart.
I was watching an anime this season that unexpectedly to me turned out to have a large gay subplot.All of the characters turned out to be gay men and they’re all infatuated with the main character.
I was surprised that I found that entire subplot and its associated scenes so incredibly tedious. It made me wonder whether gay people feel the same way watching straight romances.
I find almost all depictions of romance in fiction to be tedious, if not cringe. For me it’s less about the gender or number of participants and more about writers not knowing how to depict an authentic, realistic romance.
That being said, Academy’s depiction of Lura and Jett’s relationship is just right to me. I was skeptical about the show because all I hear from both sides of the political aisle is how bad it is, but it’s surprisingly good.
Personally, yeah usually. A poorly written sapphic romance can hold my interest, but a straight one has to have me really caring about the characters or finding the romance relatable (Sanderson is really good for that) in order for me to not be wanting it to hurry up and get back to the good stuff.
Its been a good season for the gay anime. It hasn’t bored me, but it has made me actively contrast and compare them with other anime, the same as you.
I watched the orphan black reboot. Pretty much all the women are lesbians. I think it was the only way to make the plot line work. But I’m like. … In the real world it’s just not THAT common.
I mean I laughed just cause it seemed like they had to make all the women gay to make the new story work with the previous story.
If you watch it you will get what I mean. I wasn’t bothered by it though. Just amused a bit. Never seen so many lesbians in a TV show like that.
They did do it well though. Didn’t stoop to using stereotypes or the masculine-fem pairing that is prevalent in gay media representation.
My gay friend says that cis producers can’t imagine genuine gay couples that don’t have a man-woman dynamic (mostly cause of cultural gender roles in a relationship ), So they always project this onto gay couples. I think he’s right about that.
The only ones shoving it down their throats is focks newz and their ilk. I used to be far more deeply engrained into internet culture and the only time I find out about all the travesty of wOkE mEdIa is because the right winger cultists not shutting the fuck up about it.
Does someone have an issue with Jay’Den? I think he’s a great klingon. And who says he’s gay? He might be bi/poly like his dads.
Also his sexuality isn’t any more in your face than caleb and tarima and all their smooching.
People will seriously complain about anything won’t they?
I have an issue with him being named Jayden.
I thought it was cheesy too NGL, but he’s a great character
They originally spelled it with a “G”, but changed it so the “gif” people wouldn’t say it wrong.
See, that is a fair critique. Maybe the house of kraag was watching some human millennial shows?
It must have been another reason, or he would have been named Jeigh-Den 🤷🏼♂️
I really couldn’t care less about the whole gay aspect.
However, in my personal head-canon Jay-Den’s sensitivity and fear of public speaking doesn’t quite line up with how I imagine the mind and emotions of a full-blood Klingon would work. I feel like every Klingon would have the instincts and emotions of a predator/hunter and I haven’t quite seen that in Jay-Den. To me the character would make more sense if he was only part Klingon, like Alexander.
Then again, who’s to say to what extent stereotypical Klingon behaviour is defined culturally as opposed to genetically? I do think it’s interesting and refreshing to see a Klingon acting contrary to cultural norms and I do like the character. The only other Klingon character I can recall who wasn’t a full-blown warrior is that one scientist in TNG.
Everyone thinks all Orions are pirates but as Tendi said, “somebody had to build all the starships.”
I’m more inclined to like a Klingon who’s just got a different personality than someone like Worf who never shut the hell up about Klingon tradition since he was always trying to prove he was a warrior.
but as Tendi said, “somebody had to build all the starships.”
Relevant comic:
Who exactly fixes the disruptor cannons or shields? Only Klingon chief I’ve seen is this one
I’m more inclined to like a Klingon who’s just got a different personality than someone like Worf who never shut the hell up about Klingon tradition since he was always trying to prove he was a warrior.
We already had this in the “exchange program” ep of TNG, when Riker goes on the Klingon ship they aren’t acting like Worf, especially the “Klingons do not laugh” bullshit.
It’s because Worf has a chip on his shoulder because of his human upbringing and his father not dying a warrior’s death
Guinan even specifically calls him out on that. “I’ve seen plenty of klingons laugh.” Feels like the only thing they do when the drink bloodwine is laugh and punch each other.
I have a feeling that Worf never shut up because he was raised by humans, so he always felt like he had to prove himself as Klingon
I feel like every Klingon would have the instincts and emotions of a predator/hunter and I haven’t quite seen that in Jay-Den.
There was that one doctor klingon in Enterprise and also a lawyer klingon in a different episode of Enterprise. Not all klingons are hunters/predators. Some find honor in helping people.
As for Alexander I think he was so timid for a klingon because of his upbringing, not from his 1/4 human part.
Plus Worf’s ancestor the public defender in Undiscovered Country.
Didn’t you know? Everyone is straight, until they’re proven gay. And only women are allowed to be bi. /s
