He absolutely nailed that part - but I feel the same about the whole Kelvin timeline cast. I went to see the first movie thinking reboot Star Trek? Are you NUTS? They could have screwed it up in a million ways but they didn’t, it felt like a perfect birthday present.
I recently (last year) discovered where Roddenberry got the idea of tribbles from. The book The Rolling Stones by Robert Heinlein had a creature called “flat cats”. Sharing this with my gf was awesome, her being a Trekkie and a Heinlein superfan, made me so happy that I got to share that with her.
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Karl Urban seems to be the hot nerd who got his day on everything he wanted.
With exception to a sequel to Dredd.
And in today’s environment a movie like that would slap. Let’s hit him up and we’ll go bully some Execs for Karl.
Bully for us!
We ALL missed out on that one. Fucking braindead execs. It’s the perfect example of how brainless executives are and were even before “AI”. They’re nothing but overpaid piles of shit.
The sooner humanity figures out a pay rate has NOTHING to do with quality of input, the better. Capitalism deserves to burn in hell, which is exactly where it was conceived.
Executives had nothing to do with the decision to skip a sequel. Think for a moment about which studio distributed the movie. It wasn’t Disney or Warners or Sony or any of the bigs. It was an independent production scraped together by a South African company that distributes Paramount movies in Africa. The movie didn’t make money and it nearly ended the company. The decision to not make a sequel is because the first one ate up all the money and the receipts are enough for banks and investors to say “pass” on any new ideas.
Yeah so I’m just going to stop you cuz you’re kind of full of shit. The studio insisted that it be a 3D movie and they hardly marketed it and when it was marketed it was marketed as Dredd 3D. It was released during a lull when a lot of trash 3D releases were being made. They essentially doomed the theater turnout by tacking on 3D at the end which made people assume it was just going to be a shitty cash grab.
Once people got past that and actually started watching it, it became insanely popular after its theatrical run.
I’m sure the original production company didn’t get much of any of the profits from after the theatrical run but the reason it almost ruined the company WAS because the studio forced decisions on to the production company that ended up killing their business.
Also why would anyone ever insist that executives didn’t fuck something up? That’s their entire job. They do a half assed job, take all the money they can, then bail. Then new executives are expected to clean up the mess, but guess what they do? The only thing executives know how to do they pillage and rape fuck the employees over more than the last c suite did and then bail.
But more importantly the buck stops somewhere. It stops with the CEO and the executives. Any failure is on them. Any success is mostly on the employees and possibly related to their guidance. A well running machine can run for a very long time without requiring interference.
If a well running machine suddenly runs into issues it’s always because of the leadership/captain
Bring👏back👏Firefly👏
Last I heard, there’s an animated miniseries in the works.
Fuck. So we failed them.
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He absolutely nailed the character.
You have to hand it to the Kelvin movies, just about all of them are amazing send ups to the original actors and characters.
The actors I liked a lot, they all did great at capturing the nuances. The plots… meh. They also didn’t have the same realistic “feel” of the classic TV/movies. It was more “arcadish” and shiny. I will say there are a few scenes/lines in some of them that I liked, even though it was a different timeline. “Your father was captain of a starship for 12 minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother’s. And yours. I dare you to do better.” I still prefer the original Kirk origin, and the Kirk in the various novels over the years is a bad ass prodigy.
The actors deserved a better movie.
I’ve called Star Trek 2009 a big budget fanfic because it has all of the ignorance of one. It feels like it was put together by a series of “I want to have a scene where this happens because it’ll be cool.” Kirk is born during a space battle. He drives a Corvette off a cliff. The Kobiashi Maru test from Wrath of Kahn was cool, let’s do that. Let’s see him roll around in bed with a green chick. You ever notice how Uhura doesn’t seem to have a first name?
The whole damn thing felt less like “We have a story to tell about these characters” and more “YES! We got the license, we can legally say ‘phaser’.”
Exactly. And had to change the feel of things because they have a license to modify the canon. There are fan made versions of ship beauty shots and warping that are better than anything Hollywood put out, but 2009’s popping in like Star Wars is just… no. I think I lost interest when they made the parking brake joke on Sulu. Anyone read the one paperback novel that tells about Sulu’s first time at helm on the E? (“Kobayashi Maru”) He actually DID flub leaving space dock… but not for a stupid joke. He didn’t want to be on the ship (for reasons in the plot), figured the E was like a big freighter, and her nimble response to his commands threw him off. She won him over.
Kirk is the first cadet to make Captain before graduating.
JJ Abrams doesn’t do plots
All he does is adolescent shouting and “running around”…and rehashing the same plot points with the primary plot advancement tool being just so happens to
Maybe the first act and a hook with a resolution TBD.
The thing that pissed me off the most about that movie was his mention of his wife leaving him nothing but his bones. Jim calls him Bones afterwards.
Sawbones was the slang term for the doctor. The ship’s doctor just got called the sawbones, or Bones for short. Huge character opportunity missed there. Amongst all the other problems that movie had.
That’s the writers fault. There are scripts from TOS and TNG that won Emmies. They’re considered literature. None of the Abrams ST screenplays will ever be considered art. Or good.
Exactly my point. Karl Urban did well with what he was given
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Hes in SO MANY sci FI/fantasy things
his first one is in XENA as ceaser.
Cupid.
Including the new Mortal Kombat, unfortunately.
Mortal Kombat MUST be terrible, I’ll be mad when they make a good one. It’s supposed to be an intergalactic version of a Jean Claude Van Damme movie from the 80s.
Primus: they can’t all be zingers
Hey, Mortal Kombat II is at least the 5th best Mortal Kombat film.
Duh. Not a good Year for him. MK2, The Bluff, The Boys season 5.
I definitely wouldn’t call it indistinguishable but I mean that in the best way. Love his portrayal of McCoy.
jj abrams makes very forgettable trek much like kurtzman does.
Sad thing is that the cast was actually good. Chris Pine actually cared enough about the role to approach JJ and ask about what certain lines (about ship damage) meant. JJ simply told him it didn’t matter and to just say the lines very urgently, because the audience wouldn’t care.
Chris Pine said after he read the first script he wasn’t sure he wanted to play Kirk because it felt too easy. Then his gf asked how he could make it not easy. He decided deep down Kirk really isn’t sure of himself - everybody else has more confidence in him than he does. This gave him a lot more to think about and he was able to really get into the acting.
about what certain lines (about ship damage) meant. JJ simply told him it didn’t matter and to just say the lines very urgently, because the audience wouldn’t care.
To be fair, that’s most Trekian thing I’ve heard about the Abrams’ series. I love the show, but the tech was just plot contrivances stacked on top of each other and explained with rapid fire gobbledegook.
No it wasn’t. Ships worked a certain way. The manual for the Enterprise D existed before the Enterprise D was shown on screen. If you follow along what the crew are saying about the ship and its systems you’ll eventually get a “feel” for how it functions.
What neither Rodenberry or Berman explicitly didn’t want was to have the characters spoon feed how the ship works for the audience. They were supposed to talk professionally like they knew their jobs and the tools they worked with.
The whole breathless fast-talk with meaningless bullshit is a modern thing from writers and execs who don’t give a crap about sci-fi.
They got this to most cringy lengths in discovery “she is doing science… you know, the e equals mc squared stuff, wink wink”
Pathetic. It unfortunately also slightly spilled into SNW, which i do like except for this.
I dunno. I hate how SNW straight up ripped off the Xenomorphs for the Gorn. Turning them into horrid monsters rather than a civilisation in a territory dispute with the Federation.
I thought, fair enough; the first season of any Star Trek series is pretty rough, but I saw potential. But then season two happened and I just couldn’t. Season three came out… I think… But I haven’t bothered.
God dammit, someone else finally said it! I liked every oþer SNW episode in S1, and I liked þe characters and acting a lot. I þought þe writing could be better, but it was bearable, most of þe time.
But not þe Gorn. WTF? Just introduce a new civilization FFS! I noped out of þe series when it became an obviously recurring þeme.
Trek is not hard SF. There might be a manual, but in practice, the tech in the show is there to serve the plot and it usually just amounts to a critical delay, a fetch quest, and “some kind of” X.
It doesn’t need to be hard sci-fi. It’s just significantly better and more thought out than most sci-fi, and especially better than what Abrams and Kurtzman made of it.
Thought out in terms of psychology, philosophy, religion and politics? Absolutely. In terms of science, not so much. I mean, when has the plot ever depended on a consistent theory of any complexity? The science world-building of the show is mostly built around the needs of shooting a low budget SF show (teleporters to avoid expense shuttle landings) that requires very little knowledge of its unique from its audience. Need scanners for the plot? Sure, you can have them. Need to not have scanners? Sure, now there is a radiation field on this particular planet that interferes with the scanners. Need scanners not to work, but only for a little while? I have an ion storm for you.
Contrast with the Expanse which is based around real physics and forces it’s audience to puzzle through it and forces its characters to deal.
I remember an interview with Patrick Stewart where he was talking about his advantage as a Shakespearean delivering dialogue that was forced and unnatural…
He was his protégé, for all the misfortune it did.
What a stupid non-sequitur.
Dammit jim i’m not a cunt!
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Boys reference ffs
Sorry, needs an “oi” in there somewhere to be a valid reference to The Boys.
This seems more like it to me:
Oi Jim, I’m a doctor, not a fooking cunt.
Dammit Jim, I’m a doctor not the law!
He gave us the best on film Judge Dredd of all time
I went into that movie with deep suspicion and was grinning like an idiot two minutes into his performance. He did a hell of a job.
Forgot Éomer - “Now is the hour! Riders of Rohan! Oaths you have taken, now fulfill them all, to lord and land!”
I was going to comment on that, he played a commander of riders of Rohan that did his best to support his king. Not that I don’t like his other roles but I thought being involved in lord of the rings was worth mentioning with the rest. Wait the Doom movie was mentioned but not Lord of the Rings? Huh…never watched Doom, played it tons when it was new though.
Such a great actor, he tends to improve any movie I’ve seen him in. Like if the role was poorly cast it may not be memorable but alright movie (well depending on which one, Dredd maybe not) but he’s definitely memorable in his roles.
Didn’t want the title to become a laundry list of roles. Doom is a terrible movie, save for Urban. Still fun to mention, though.
I don’t get why the new trek stores of movies got so much hate. I really loved them. Haven’t watched any trek stuff since though.
Opinions have softened somewhat in the intervening years. Still not without problems, but enjoyable.
I’d recommend giving Lower Decks (Push through to season 2), Prodigy (gets good by episode 10), and Strange New Worlds (strong start into a mixed bag) a try.
I always liked them, although they softened the hard Sci-Fi and utopian aspects of Star Trek. They are entertaining movies and I like the versions of the original characters.
the hard Sci-Fi
The what, now?
The problem wasn’t the casting. The plots though… ugh. I still watch the movies from time to time, I like the visuals, the audio, the cast. I tend to try to ignore the stories and then they kind of work.
nutrek is basically all diverge from canon works, and the plot and writings are pretty bad. since kurtzman is the successor of nutrek. STD, picard has alot criticism from fans, all flash and no substance for nutrek.
“Dammit Jim, I’m a doctor, not a redditor!”
Dammit Jim, I’m not a Roman dictator!
