What is something you learned or experienced from being trans that you wish you knew pre-transition, or that you wish cis people knew?

I’ll go first: the temperature differences when going from testosterone-dominance to estrogen-dominance is not just real but significant, my body just puts out less heat and I feel colder much easier now even when otherwise maintaining a high metabolism, eating in excess, etc.

It may have just been my trans denial before, but I really wanted to believe that the difference was not that great and I was wrong.

What’s something you wish people knew?

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    That speech does in fact creates reality. Using the masculine form of a word to refer to a group of people does mean, that you actively exclude all the people who are not male. People may not realise and say “dont be so shiny about it”, but for trans people it does mean quite a lot how people refer to us.

    Also that cis mans literally have to shut the fuck up if people would like, that others could stop using male words as default. Of course you dont feel excluded/discriminates, but I do since I Am definitely not a man and I do not want to be referred as one.

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    I wish more cis folks knew that to me, simply being me, is as normal as being themselves is to them. I’m not a walk on the wild side, nor a walking queer chyron. I’m not your token, your conversational curio. I’m not your unicorn!

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      unfortunately they might, at least in the US there is a learned callousness to suffering and “not my problem” individualism, which is ironic given the significance of taking care of the poor, unhoused, and travelers in both Christianity and ancient Greece and Rome, the supposed cultural foundations of the West.

      edit: oh, I’ve been meaning to ask if you have a gofundme or way to send you funds, you are on my mind a lot

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      Yes, such a great one - it’s so hard to believe that gender dysphoria is real, people seem to want to think it’s just delusions or trauma or anything but what it is.

      It’s incredible to me that the conservative medical establishment has endorsed gender affirming care and transition for trans youth and adults in this country, over centuries and decades trans healthcare has developed to this point while the culture at large continues to lag behind.

      It is like the gradual process of (largely Christian) scientists ruling out creationism over a period of centuries and decades, but we’re in a time still when the majority of people still believe in the religious explanation rather than the scientific one.

      It makes me feel like I’m living in a kind of medieval era of sorts, when people are still largely uneducated and in the dark, a time when the gap between what humanity has discovered and what most people know is huge.

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      !!! REAL !!!

      I spent so long putting off estrogen and when I went on it I magically felt better and started getting excited at the changes in my body???

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          Yeah, idk about you but I still have the underlying anxiety that I’m going to finish transitioning and not be happy. But I also have anxiety about pretty much every decision I make.

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            I can get that way too, but what I’ve done to cope is to recognize that my situation is vastly improved, and that’s good enough - transition doesn’t have to make me happy all the time, it’s enough that it makes me happy so much of the time. The same strategy was really important when deciding to get a vaginoplasty, and when choosing my name - because I had a lot of perfectionism and anxiety around both, and I had to realize that it’s about being practical and not about finding perfection.

            Even just getting estrogen in me really changed my mental health for the better, even if that’s all I ever did, it would have been worth it.

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    How many trans people completely give up not just sports, but many types of exercise altogether. Swimming is particularly fraught, but so are plenty of other activities. There’s this narrative that trans people are beating down the doors to all sports, but for plenty of trans people just being active and healthy is out of reach.

    Edit: oop, sorry, didn’t realize this was posted in the transfem community 😅

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      so true, and such a good example.

      Personally as a kid I never exercised unless forced to (e.g. the annual 1 mile run in gym class) and didn’t enjoy sports, even before I realized I was trans.

      This was for so many reasons, too. For example with swimming, not wearing long-sleeves & pants was unbearable in social situations as a kid, let alone taking my shirt off & wearing swim trunks around peers.

      I also had very poor body coordination / awareness (“proprioception”), and frequently was injured when I would play.

      (I was hit in the head by balls so many times in sports it became a running joke with friends and family - I have distinct memories of having painful experiences being hit in the head when playing basketball, baseball, and kickball, some of these happening more than once.)

      As an adult I learned coping strategies, and I adapted to living as the wrong gender and dissociating from the body. Looking back, it was dysfunctional the way I used my self-loathing and gender dysphoria as tools to push myself to endure physical suffering that wasn’t safe or healthy. I also had a hard time gauging my body’s needs and injured myself many times, and I now have life-long conditions as a result.

      I have heard similar stories from other trans women IRL about not being able to read the body and injuring themselves, and about poor body coordination / proprioception. There is also just the obvious discomfort of the way sports puts you into your body in a social context, and for trans women the way sports is male-coded and all the complicated social dynamics around being “athletic” or into sports as being masculine.

      What were your experiences, and do you have any advice for trans people wanting to be healthy with movement?

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        The proprioception thing is interesting because it’s also linked to things like ADHD and autism along with other sensory processing difficulties.

        For me, my own poor proprioception actually feeds into my dysphoria on its own because it feels like somebody hit me with the Scale tool in Blender and added like 2 inches to all my bodily dimensions. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve just barely smacked my head or hands on things or kicked furniture and how much frustration it has caused me with this damned flesh prison.

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          yes, it wasn’t until I transitioned and read all the studies about shared genetic causes of gender dysphoria and autism, and the high overlap between the two that I finally took seriously the feedback I had been getting my whole life that I might be autistic - so my own proprioception issues might also be linked to neurodivergence. Estrogen seemed to help a little bit with my proprioception, but I am still clumsy and my spouse has noted that it hasn’t been fixed by transition.

          I do feel like you that my body just feels too large, and I do think that’s part of why I run into things - the hormones haven’t fixed that, so maybe that’s a life sentence, unfortunately. And “damned flesh prison” is pretty much how I would describe my body since I was maybe 15 - 17 years old? But hey, still cis tho.

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        Would be a great idea imho to start organising queer&ally sport groups.

        Regular swimming sessions in groups, perhaps?

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    Gender is a social construct and you don’t have to ‘live up’ to any predefined ideas about what you ‘need’ to be, what you ‘need’ to look like, or what you ‘need’ to do.

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      ah, freedom from gender norms! I think everyone, cis and trans, has different tolerances for the extent to which they feel comfortable adhering to or violating gender norms. Ironically, transitioning has been so great for me because it allows me to finally be “normal” by being conformist.

      As a man I was always wrong because my natural inclinations made me gender non-conforming (making me seem like a gay man). It was very stigmatizing living that way, but once I transitioned it’s like everything lined up and now for the first time every I “fit” society, and I just live as a relatively normal woman without stigma.

      However, my sexuality still makes me non-conforming, but in women that seems to be more ignored or overlooked compared to men (esp. when you are feminine / conforming in your gender expression). It’s only when it’s made explicit that people seem uncomfortable, and even then the average person seem more accepting than of gay men, at least in my experience.

      That said, it makes sense that being trans would lend itself to seeing the possibilities in gender and the freedom from gender norms that can be accomplished.

      The popularity of beyond-the-binary ideas of Kate Bornstein and Leslie Feinberg and the increased adoption of non-binary as a political identity show a thirst for tearing down gender norms and replacing them with gender freedom (particularly focused on individualist ideas of gender expression and non-conformity).

      Though I am ultimately skeptical that this is how gender works, and it reminds me of the failed political lesbianism of second wave feminism, the problem then was that sexuality was not wholly cultural or political as mistakenly assumed, and you cannot will yourself to be a lesbian and build a new utopian society on that basis. Straight women exist, and they will continue to be attracted to men even if it’s they’re told it’s wrong. Still, it’s exciting to see movements like this push to create space for gender non-conformity, that’s a win regardless in my book.

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        Our point isn’t that people can’t behave in ways they like more that they don’t have to adhere so strictly to gender roles, expression etc. They can still, of course, act in more ‘conventional’ ways but the point is that they should be able to choose that and if necessary choose to break that or merely change over time, nobody should be forced to behave or look a particular way nor feel they can only be those things and that is all forever.

        So it’s not always exactly gender non-conformity more that behaviour and expressions shouldn’t be tied to gender, and roles shouldn’t exist at all. Just be you, even if most of the time that matches what society currently sees as matching what they expect, but you don’t always have to.

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          yes, such a good point, even recognizing there is a choice of conforming or not is beyond some people’s awareness (especially I think in more collective cultures, whereas individualism lends itself to people prioritizing their desires over social expectations).

          I do think a lot of gender norms and roles are arbitrary (like blue for boys and pink for girls, or women only in the home and men only at work), but I suspect humans do have what we might categorize as hard-wired gendered behavior as well (though with considerable overlap, the idea of strict differences without overlap is just not evidenced).

          Otherwise I’m not sure gender dysphoria makes much sense, since it seems to be a natural phenomenon rooted in the biology and found throughout human history and across cultures, and is even found to be genetic. That said, gender dysphoria is still worked out in a social and psychological context and is not pure biology either, so a lot of what you are saying here is relevant about how arbitrary social norms can be.

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            Thanks! Interesting point about different cultures, that’s why we think there needs to be a mix.

            We agree about the colours and where people should be. Ah yes, humans might be like that because of that. It’s very interesting to us non-humans.

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        I also love this diagram from Scientific American since even from a glance I think a lot of open-minded people will get an immediate understanding that it’s at the very least complex, even if they aren’t willing to spend a long time engaging with any discussion around it.

        Diagram

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          that is a great diagram, though I can find it confusing and hard to read - it does quickly show how complex the situation can be. I found it helpful to have an expert walking through this diagram and showing its meaning, that’s when it finally clicked for me.

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    Yeah, the temperature thing is real. It’s not like I doubted my wife before, but even a little AC is enough to give me the shivers now. Sorry!

    I think the thing that surprised me most (although I started to figure this out a while before cracking) is that women and men are far more similar than they are different. We’re all just people, with very similar desires and experiences.

    Oh, and I had no idea how obsessed women are with boobs.

    Although I guess none of these are trans-specific things.

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      The only time I experienced a sensitivity to the cold was during a short period where I think I was a little anemic. Estrogen has definitely made me more sensitive, but I such a ridiculous starting point that I still have cold tolerance. Funnily, a cis person brought up how me (and two others who were in shorts+Tshirt) were warm because of T (I hadn’t come out to her yet).

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        I do just feel more comfortable, estrogen seemed to “fix” my temperature - no more sweating through my sheets and leaving a yellow stain on my bed 🤢 As I first started estrogen, I was shocked at how animal-like it seemed like I was on testosterone, the way my body stank, the excessive sweating, and so on. Becoming a woman was like becoming human, is the way it felt to me.

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          100% get it. Linen sheets were a godsend when i learned about them but its still a lot. Zero tolerance for the sun as well (all aspects of it, no heat tolerance and bad light sensitivity and i can sunburn to blisters easily)

          sigh need a job so i can have stable(remote) employment, so i can get the hell out of ohio, so i can even start…

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            Come to your neighbor in the north! We’re pretty trans friendly up here in SE Michigan and job opportunities are pretty good.

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              Illinois and Minnesota would be even better states for trans people (at least based on the laws, rural southern IL is obviously not going to be the best), but Michigan is much better than Ohio, it’s just purple-ish politically and it’s not clear how that situation will go as the anti-trans backlash builds. For example, the Michigan House passed an anti-trans sports bill, even though it failed to become a law.

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                Oh, for sure. Fortunately, we do have laws protecting GAH and LGBTQ+ non-discrimination, albeit unfortunately only for adults at this time. Still, medical providers have emphasized their commitment to providing care for trans kids too, even if it’s not enshrined in law yet.

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            just one step at a time, and just keep in the right direction - with persistent effort and action you will get there, in the meantime hang in there 🫂

            Ohio isn’t ideal, but it’s totally possible to get on estrogen with DIY vials, and the right hormones can really make everything else easier, but I understand if it’s complicated 😅

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              Yep, less about the estrogen itself as it is the complete incapability to have a private life away from my family if I stay here 😬 everyone knows everyone and it comes out of nowhere at the weirdest times

              But Ohio being ohio is also pretty awful.

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                yeah, I get that. Taking estrogen will change the way you look - one neighbor of mine told me he thought I looked 20 years younger, this was after taking estrogen for 6 - 8 months, lol. So cis people may be more clueless than you think, but at some point it will be an issue - and it definitely would be best to trust your family and be able to transition openly with them.

                Though I just realized - family could mean you are married and have kids, or it could mean you’re young and haven’t left home yet - and those are two different situations, much easier to leave your family if you’re not the parent 😅

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      That’s the funny thing, I never doubted women’s accounts about temperature - and yet, I somehow had discounted or downplayed the severity of it (it makes me cringe to say this, I hate fitting the profile of a sexist stereotypical man that way).

      Transitioning has really opened my eyes to how much of my mentality and expectations I have for the world and others is rooted in my own narrow experience in the world. It makes me feel alarmed about my lack of understanding of other minority / oppressed lived experiences. Despite all the effort I have put into reading and understanding disability, race, etc. I still really don’t understand it in the most fundamental and important ways I need to.

      Re men and women being similar, I have had this thought too - while all the differences are being highlighted and are on display as well for me, I’m shocked at how much of a woman I can be biologically, having been born with a male body.

      It really turns out the body is a lot more flexible about sex than I realized, and estrogen dominance can really change the body and brain in ways I never expected. For example, the idea that trans women can experience PMS seemed very unlikely to me before I transitioned, and yet it is a real thing! (For clarity, some trans women experience something like a menstrual cycle, but they obviously don’t bleed or menstruate - the PMS symptoms might be caused by estrogen sensitivity and changes in the hormone levels, just like in cis women.)

      The idea that the hormones regulate practically everything: temperature, drug tolerance, fat composition, and brain composition is fascinating.

      What I am left wondering is what fundamental differences are left between me and a cis woman, biologically?

      What relevance is having XY chromosomes to my physiology and biology, when injecting estrogen and having removed testes?

      When you focus on functionality and practical differences, the bio-essentialist mindset starts to weaken. The main medical differences between me and the average cis woman are that I don’t need a pap smear, I can’t get pregnant, and I might eventually need prostate exams. That’s about the extent of it - otherwise, I’m medically / biologically like any other woman, and that blows my mind.

      OK, but I have to ask - what do you mean about women being boob-obsessed?

      And no worries, it doesn’t have to be trans-specific, just something you wish cis people knew based on your experiences as a trans person (could be anything, for example when I first transitioned and was a visible trans woman, I was shocked at how women were so tolerant and polite, and how it was primarily men who stared at me aggressively - there were shitty, transphobic women, but mostly they were not confrontational; I didn’t expect women to be so tolerant and accepting).

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        OK, but I have to ask - what do you mean about women being boob-obsessed?

        This is probably a cultural thing, or maybe I just hang out with a bunch of perverts, but whenever I’m out with girl friends the conversation always seems to touch on boobs: how big or small each others’ are, bras vs padded camis, how they wish they were closer together or further apart etc etc. I’m not introducing the topic, I promise!

        Plus on the occasions I get (re-)introduced to people, which in the past necessitated a bit of “here’s our friend, you might know her by another name, but she’s a girl, OK?” the usual response is “hey, you have boobs! Can I feel? You can touch mine if you like!”

        Given I’m a westerner living in Japan there’s a good chance I’ll outgrow most of my cis friends, which will probably get me even more attention…

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          oh, Japan - interesting. Are the friends all Japanese, or are they ex-pats like you?

          I live in a very conservative part of the U.S. where women do not seem to bring up boobs much - I’ve had some discussions with my sister about our boobs, and even pre-transition I’ve had discussions with a particularly open friend about boobs and nudism / naturism - but I’ve never had a woman ask to touch my boobs or offer for me to feel their boobs 😅

          I’m pretty insecure about my boobs, they are small for my frame (though maybe larger than a lot of trans girls I know, women in my family tend to be large; a trans girl friend of mine has indicated she wishes she had more boobs after seeing me).

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            All Japanese: I live in the middle of nowhere, pretty much fully gone native (the only time I use English is online, in places like this). The down side is that I stand out like crazy; no hope of a subtle transition away from prying eyes :3

            It does sound like a cultural thing, then. For all that Japan is a very conservative society, there aren’t a lot of hangups about bodies, nudity and so on. Unfortunately that also means that it’s pretty normal for men to make really vulgar comments about any women around them, which I’ve already started to experience.

            Pretty small here too, although padded bras can work wonders. But since I’m only just short of a year in to HRT, I’m hoping for quite a bit more in the future.

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      I’m in the demi sort of space and when I got rid of the “boys” downstairs no one but my partner and mother knew and it remains that way even to this day.

      It wasn’t about others it was about my body and how I felt about it. That’s it.